St. Louis Jesuits concert, anyone?

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Are any of them even still in the order?

I recall that one went buddhist, and at least one of the others was laicized.
Yes, there were 5 to start with. As you note, one converted to Buddhism, and one was laicized and he usually gets the most press because of his circumstances.
The other 3 are all still Jesuit priests.
Which is pretty good considering how many priests of their era quit.
 
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Fr John Kavanaugh has a strong Catholic family and they used to play Irish concerts which I enjoyed very much. He talked about how the family used to sing songs around the kitchen table by the whole family. I can understand how music is one of his passions.
 
Was the purpose of opening this thread to inform us about the concert, or to trash the St Louis Jesuits ?

This post seems to suggest it was the latter.

Jim
 
Do you have a response to the essay? I’m all ears if you have something to add to their analysis.
 
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Jim, I agree that the article is pretty negative. l honestly did not read much beyond this:

"You might almost forget that we are speaking here of the simple, well-worn, and recognizably popular melodies, written in that pseudo-folk style of the period, that have achieved ubiquity in millions of parishes, and can be (and usually is) sung and played by people (usually on guitar) with little or no formal training in music. I am speaking here of such Catholic favorites as “Be Not Afraid,” “Here I Am Lord,” “City of God,” “Sing A New Song,” “Come to the Water,” “For You Are My God,” “Yahweh, I Know You Are Near,” “Though the Mountains May Fall,” “Glory and Praise to Our God,” “Only This I Want,” and “One Bread, One Body.”

There is the answer to the question. Their music is popular with people because it is for people with little or no musical training. It is music for the majority of people, not just for music scholars or concert organists or singers. There is something wrong with people putting down music that most people accept and love, as evidenced by its popularity in “millions of parishes.” Go to a classical music concert if you want to hear choirs singing “non-singalong-able” by the parishioners music. People come to mass to participate, not be entertained by songs they cannot sing.

That is why the St. Louis Jesuit music is still popular, because they are “simple, well worn and recognizably popular melodies.”
 
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Haven’t most of them walked away from their vows? I seem to remember hearing that.
 
People can have all the pop-style music they want, 24 hours a day. Why does it have to be at Mass?
Is there something wrong with the fact that the simple pseudo-folk melodies took the rightful place of the actual texts and chants of the Mass? The communion chant, offertory chant, etc? Are the people in the pews missing out on the musical and liturgical heritage of the Roman rite? For what?
 
I don’t consider it pop style. I would rather have most people participating (as they do) than sitting there silently while the choir sings something with no recognizable melody and words that mean nothing to them because they are singing in Latin.

I understand you feel strongly about the subject, as I remember from other threads. What I don’t understand is why it has to be either/or, or why people have to be so negative while conveying their preference or want music such as The St. Louis Jesuit music banned or banished.

I don’t want to argue with you, I only was answering a point from the link.
 
I have three things to say.

One, the melodies are as simple as the performers and church want to make them. Most of those songs have harmony parts that are not Juilliard-level, but they do require some practice to pull off and are not a walk in the park, unless maybe you grew up in a musical “Daddy Sang Bass” kind of family. One rarely hears the performance of the songs truly done justice. Once in a while, if I’m so moved, I will sing the harmony part from the pew, but not too often because 1) I’m old and don’t sing as well as I used to, and 2) Mass is not for me to be showing off.

Two, I like all kinds of music, so whenever someone wants to organize a chant that 1) includes women (many scholas I have seen at Masses are male-only, though nuns of course will sing from the cloister at their monasteries) and 2) provides at least the lyrics and a musical score to us peons in the pews, I will be glad to take a crack at it. I’ll pretty much try to sing anything if I’m feeling up to it. It also helps if there is enough ventilation in the church for me to get a breath, which is a real issue at a couple of places that I think are trying to save money by not firing up the fans and AC till we get excessive heat warnings.

Three, the article generally did seem like a giant bash on the St. Louis Jesuits and I’m sure it will be loved and well received by the usual crowd who like to beat the dead horse about guitar music at Mass. I am not in that crowd, having enjoyed guitar music at Mass since I was literally 5. I also enjoy well-played organ music, chant, contemporary Christian with a drumkit and amps, and just about every kind of Mass music except for Taize, and it could be that the Taize I heard was not the greatest out there so I’m even open to giving that another chance.
 
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Sorry. I think it’s partly that the folk / pop style seemed like it really took over a lot of parishes completely. It may not seem like it, but it can actually be quite grating. I know other people find chant / polyphony grating, I suppose, but at least that has the advantage of being the official music of the Church. Honestly to me, it’s like saying that Communion should be wine and pure wheat wafer, but that’s too much bother, so let’s just have something more convenient and cheaper.
 
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I also enjoy well-played organ music, chant, contemporary Christian with a drumkit and amps, and just about every kind of Mass music except for Taize,
Mariachi.

Growing up, each year the orphanage from Mexico would send up a group who would Mariachi the weekends masses–by which I mean that they shouted in such a way that even I could tell wasn’t a tune, let alone the same tune as one another.

I think the first time I heard Mariachi sung, rather than shouted, was in my early 40s . . . and it’s not that I haven’t heard plenty on both sides of the border, and blaring from neighbors’ houses, cars near and far, . . .
 
I’ve been to a few Spanish Masses where they had like an 8-piece band including a whole lotta marocca shakin’ goin’ on.

The mariachis also come out in force for Hispanic funerals and Our Lady of Guadalupe feast, if you know the right church to go to around here. I am a bit jealous as I doubt an awesome band will be playing when my corpse is being wheeled to the hearse. Then again, I won’t be there to hear it…
 
I’m flummoxed that anyone really could have been bothered enough by this to flag it . . .
 
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Since I don’t actually sing, I focus more on the lyrics. If I like it then I can handle the tune. Entrance hymns usually have it the worst or at least the ones they chose here. Not a fan of pseudo scripture as opposed to the original text.
 
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