St Malachy's Prophecy

[Just_a_man]

Hello everybody. I have been lurking around this board for about six months without saying anything. I tend not to speak very often as I feel I learn more when my mouth is closed and my ears are open.

I have always been intrigued by the concept of prophecy, irregardless if it is Biblical or non-Biblical in origin.

As most of you are already aware of, we are approaching the last name on St. Malachy’s Prophecy. I have researched this prophecy inside and out for an extremely long time. I became especially intrigued with the prophecy once Pope Benedict was elected as our latest Pope. As most of you already know, the final name on the prophecy is Peter the Roman. I personally never believed that the words “The End” which are found at the end of the prophecy meant “the end of the world”. I always felt that it probably meant “the end of the popes” since there were no other names listed after Petrus Romanus (Peter the Roman).

Deep down I always had my fingers crossed that since the first pope was named Peter and the last name on the list was named Peter, that this would signify the return of our Lord Jesus. After all, Jesus was responsible for appointing Peter as the first person to be in charge of the church; and if we look at the Book of Revelation 22:13 it states "I am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end.

Anyways, I was searching for any new Youtube videos on St. Malachy’s Prophecy the other day, and I came across a video which I thought I had seen before, except it had the title “Jesus has returned” at the top of the video. When I watched the video, a text appeared at the the top of the video which says said something to the effect that "Peter the Roman has been identified as of May 8th, 2011 and the video encouraged the viewer to look at book called Karma.

I looked at the book and it talks about Jesus returning as a man named Peter and, him realizing that it was his name as the last name on St. Malachy’s Prophecy. The book is listed as non-fiction. If you look below the book in the review section of the website, there was a review from a woman who claims that the man inside the book is Jesus. She claims that this Peter guy has Two Witnesses (sounds familiar…Book of Revelation chapter 11), and that this guy has brought a man back from the dead.

I want to say that I am in no way whatsoever endorsing this book, or the video. I have no idea if it is complete garbage, a scam, or the truth. Everything on the internet should always be taken with a grain of salt, because you never know the intention or motivation behind people’s actions online. With that disclaimer out of the way, I was curious if anybody had heard anything about this book. It appears to only be available on a Kindle or Ipad which I do not own. If somebody knows where I might be able to get a free copy, please share your knowledge because I am always intrigued with reading stuff on St. Malachy’s Prophecy.

John Hogue wrote a book on St. Malachy’s Prophecy, but t be honest I wasn’t very happy with the information he presented in the book. It seemed like he had an axe to grind with the Roman Catholic Church as opposed to presenting valid and interesting information pertaining to the prophecy.

If anybody is interested, here is the link to the video that I was referring to:

youtube.com/watch?v=337V6GHTDFc

 

[lauraabarlow]

Thanks! I really try to put my faith in Jesus saying that only God the Father knows the day and the hour of His return and leave it at that. This is very interesting, though

 

[dsmantz]

I worked with a paramedic named Peter who brought several people back to life…

I know this post has no relevance whatsoever, I just thought it was an interesting little tidbit.

 

[MarcusAndreas]

This document is a late forgery written to influence a papal conclave.

 

[Insight]

Hi Just A Man, these people can’t even predict their own deaths. Recall Harold Camping proclaiming the world was going to end last week. We have a very popular Catholic Radio show here in NY called “Listen-Up: Jesus is on the Air” hosted by Dr. John Palmer and Dr. Anthony Ciuffo. Last week they discussed this kind of nonsense, the back shows are posted on their website. Here is a link to that episode:

MariavaltortaWebring.com/Mp3/Palmer-Ciuffo/2011-05-21_Palmer-Ciuffo.mp3

God Bless

 

[antonivs]

Thanks! I really try to put my faith in Jesus saying that only God the Father knows the day and the hour of His return and leave it at that. This is very interesting, though

Exactly right. Also, when Jesus returns, it won’t be in secret.

If, then, they say to you, ‘Look, he is in the desert,’ do not go there; ‘Look, he is in some hiding place,’ do not believe it; because the coming of the Son of Man will be like lightning striking in the east and flashing far into the west. Wherever the corpse is, there will the vultures gather.

 "Immediately after the distress of those days the sun will be darkened, the moon will lose its brightness, the stars will fall from the sky and the powers of heaven will be shaken.  And then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the heaven; **then too all the peoples of the earth will beat their brests, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory**.  And he will send his angels with a loud trumpet to gather his chosen from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other."

source: Matthew 24:26-31

 

[Maria_das_Neves]

This wouldn’t be the book by that name written by that famous scholar Dan Brown?

 

[marlap2]

This gentleman is making a lot of presumptions about how Catholic Cardinals choose a Pope. He states that they “chose an old man because Pope John Paul II “ruled” for a long time”…

I am a Catholic, and a strong believer in the Trinity, and I trust that it’s the Holy Spirit that guides most of the Cardinals, despite their humanity.

I always think it’s a little funny when a Protestant is teaching us about “Catholic Prophecy” and the hidden secrets about it. It’s interesting how this particular man has so many answer for us. I suggest he lay down the book of prophecies from various saints and pick up the CCC.

Jesus told us, in scripture, Matthew 24, that no man, not the angels of heaven know “the hour”, but His Father only.

So, I’m trusting what Jesus says. Not even a “saint” like Malachy can sway much of that. If we stay close to Jesus in the sacraments, especially confession and the Eucharist, we can have hope and not fear so much, I think.

In all Charity and Love, I am indeed sorry if I sounded a little harsh. I know it’s tempting to look at these things. I’ve been a willing victim of reading and watching all of these end time things as well. They just tend to impart fear, despair and doubt, though, and that’s not of God. The fruit of the Spirit leads us to trust in Jesus, no matter what. Live John 15 1-8, and you’ll find peace!

LOVE!

 

[Just_a_man]

No it is not the same Dan Brown. According to the review from a woman that read the book, it is a different Dan Brown. I find it particularly amusing when I hear comments from some people claiming that the Prophecy is a forgery. If it is a forgery, then answer this simple question. Why has every single name that was listed on the prophecy come to pass with 100% accuracy?

If people drop their dogma for a minute, and simply open their eyes to the reality of the prophecy, they will see that one of two things has happened with respect to the prophecy. Either the prophecy has been 100% correct in its prediction of 900 years’ worth of names of Popes which should demand people’s attention; or, every single one of the 111 Popes have opted to choose to follow the prophecy when choosing their name…which I highly doubt. Even if it turned out to be the latter of the two option, this should also demand people’s attention.

I understand that most people who scoff at this prophecy simply have not invested much time in researching the prophecy. There is not a single person who uses logic who could deny the importance and the magnitude of the prophecy.

 

[puzzleannie]

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As most of you are already aware of, we are approaching the last name on St. Malachy’s Prophecy. I have researched this prophecy inside and out for an extremely long time. c

that is a lot of time to waste on a fraud and a forgery.

why not put that time to better use cultivating sound spiritual reading from authentic Catholic writers, especially the saints, and bible study, perhaps focusing on Revelation and the other apocalyptic writings of the bible

 

[HurricaneAnne]

catholic.com/thisrock/quickquestions/?qid=1561

 

[Another_Mary]

No it is not the same Dan Brown.

I’d be a bit ( ) suspicious of this book. One can publish an ebook for next to nothing. Using a common but well known name like Dan Brown is a stroke of PR genius.

If it is a forgery, then answer this simple question. Why has every single name that was listed on the prophecy come to pass with 100% accuracy?

Forgeries are forged to make the “facts” fit the situation. After the fact.

Has anyone read Holy Blood Holy Grail?

 

[Just_a_man]

Puzzleannie- you suggested that I am wasting my time with Malachy, when I should invest my time with authentic Catholic writers…especially the Saints…pardon me while I burst into laughter for a second. Maybe you didnt get the memo. St Malachy was a Saint (hence that big ole St. at the beginning of his name. For the record it was your Catholic Pope than canonized him as the First Irish Saint).

You also said that I should focus perhaps on the Book of Revelation…pardon me while I laugh one more time…did you not read my first post which drew from the Book of Revelation?

Another Mary-With respect to your forgery comment which stated “Forgeries are forged to make the “facts” fit the situation. After the fact.” Allow me to burst into laughter a third time…after the fact? Hellloooo? St Malachy’s Prophecy was also published approximately 400 years ago in Arnold de Wyon book Lignum Vitae right after Guttenburgh invented the printing press.

Do any of you actually think before you write your comments?

 

[antonivs]

…

Do any of you actually think before you write your comments?

Please refrain from insulting others. This is a Christian forum.

From the forum rules:

Messages posted to this board must be polite and free of personal attacks, threats, and crude or sexually-explicit language.

source: forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=116150

 

[saveusfromhell]

if you look in the back fence forum and then go to the thread on end times speculation. they will probably answer this for you in depth. haven’t read this book but it’s false when Jesus comes again it won’t be in secret.
(Edited)

 

[Another_Mary]

Well the prophecy is “attributed” to St. Malachy. Do you know what “attributed” means?

And it isn’t a “list of names”.

Malachy isn’t a saint because of a prophecy (I realize no one has claimed that, either)–he became a saint because of what he accomplished by being holy.

Hmm. Is there a St. Nostradamus?

Just a man I hope I have added a little more humor to your day. You sound like you could use a few more really good laughs.

 

[Prayer_Warrior]

Puzzleannie- you suggested that I am wasting my time with Malachy, when I should invest my time with authentic Catholic writers…especially the Saints…pardon me while I burst into laughter for a second. Maybe you didnt get the memo. St Malachy was a Saint (hence that big ole St. at the beginning of his name. For the record it was your Catholic Pope than canonized him as the First Irish Saint).

Maybe you can stop laughing long enough to learn something from Annie. I’m quite sure that Annie knows that St. Malachy is a saint. The prophecy you speak about is not only false, but it is most certainly not written by him. Almost all scholars believe it is a sixteenth century forgery. Annie’s recommendation is a good one; it is a better use of time reading the (authentic) writings of the saints, not forgeries.

You also said that I should focus perhaps on the Book of Revelation…pardon me while I laugh one more time…did you not read my first post which drew from the Book of Revelation?
Why are you laughing? Annie simply recommended further study of Revelation or other apocalyptic writings if that is your interest. She never suggested that you were not familiar with it. Her comment simply points out the truth of those scriptures and that it is a better use of time to study them than the forgery of Malachy’s prophecy

Another Mary-With respect to your forgery comment which stated “Forgeries are forged to make the “facts” fit the situation. After the fact.” Allow me to burst into laughter a third time…after the fact? Hellloooo? St Malachy’s Prophecy was also published approximately 400 years ago in Arnold de Wyon book Lignum Vitae right after Guttenburgh invented the printing press.

St. Malachy did not live four hundred years ago. He lived in the 12th century. There is no mention of the prophecies prior to the 16th century. I think this is what Another Mary might have meant by “after the fact”

Do any of you actually think before you write your comments?

Yes

 

[saveusfromhell]

(Edited) not so sure that you can claim the alleged prophecy of st malachi to be false. there is certainly some concerns regarding it’s authenticity but that is as far as we can go.
" Almost all scholars believe it is a sixteenth century forgery" that really counts for nothing as it’s a claim to hard to back up, as the term scholar is so loose. recently i heard a “catholic scholar” claim on mainstream irish radio station that no serious theolgian believes in the existence of hell any longer.

 

[Just_a_man]

Perhaps I did not make my point well enough earlier, so allow me to illiterate. A man by the name of Arnold de Wyon came across the “forged prophecy” and decided to include a copy of the “forged prophecy” in a book which he published 400 years ago. The name of the book which Arnold de Wyon published (which included a copy of the prophecy) was called Lignum Vitae.

Lignum Vitae has never been contested. Nobody has ever claimed that his book was a forgery. Copies of Lignum Vitae are available online, and they include a copy of St Malachy’s Prophecy inside.

Point being, even if the St Malachy’s prophecy was a forgery (which it wasn’t), the names of the Popes for the last 400 years since Lignum Vitae has been published have continued to present themselves 100% accurately.

Unless of course somebody is going to tell me that scholars have decided that both the original prophecy as well as Lignum Vitae are both forgeries.

 

[Prayer_Warrior]

(Edited) not so sure that you can claim the alleged prophecy of st Malachi to be false. there is certainly some concerns regarding it’s authenticity but that is as far as we can go.
" Almost all scholars believe it is a sixteenth century forgery" that really counts for nothing as it’s a claim to hard to back up, as the term scholar is so loose. recently i heard a “catholic scholar” claim on mainstream Irish radio station that no serious theologian believes in the existence of hell any longer.

Point taken about the word “scholars”. I simply used the same terminology as did the article from Catholic Answers that was already posted and from EWTN. But you are quite right, anyone can claim to be a scholar these days.

I will retract the statement that it is false prophecy and say I believe it to be a false prophecy… meaning I do not believe it to be from God. Prophecy is a word from God by the power of Holy Spirit-- it is not simply “future telling”. I do not believe this is a God given prophetic word.

Original posted by Just a man: Perhaps I did not make my point well enough earlier, so allow me to illiterate. A man by the name of Arnold de Wyon came across the “forged prophecy” and decided to include a copy of the “forged prophecy” in a book which he published 400 years ago. The name of the book which Arnold de Wyon published (which included a copy of the prophecy) was called Lignum Vitae.

Lignum Vitae has never been contested. Nobody has ever claimed that his book was a forgery. Copies of Lignum Vitae are available online, and they include a copy of St Malachy’s Prophecy inside.

I would be curious to know if the Lignum Vitae originally had predicted 111 or 112 popes. Several sites claim that there were only 111 popes listed but that in 1820 a reproduction of Lignum Vitae added a 112th. I cannot read the original language, but I’d be curious to know if that is a false accusation. I am only interested in knowing what the original document contained. Still, Lignum Vitae came hundreds of years after St. Malachy… there is no original prophecy, from everything I have read it was never heard of until the 16th century. The alleged prophecy is conspicuously absent in the preserved biography of St. Malachy written by St. Bernard of Clairvaux, who lived during St. Malacy’s time.