St. Mary's house at Ephesus

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I have heard a few references to the house of St. Mary at Ephesus on Catholic Answers Live, including references to a visit to that house during their upcoming Mediterranean tour.

I’m not Catholic, and I am examining various aspects of Catholicism with a view toward either converting or not converting.

I would appreciate it if someone would advise if Catholics are required to believe that this house is really the house of St. Mary. Is this belief optional or required, in other words.

If it is not required for belief, why is it touted as the house of St. Mary without any reservations?

Personally, I find it far-fetched. If anyone has good sources for why, historically, this is the house of St. Mary, I would be grateful.

Thank you, in advance, for your help.
 
I have heard a few references to the house of St. Mary at Ephesus on Catholic Answers Live, including references to a visit to that house during their upcoming Mediterranean tour.

I’m not Catholic, and I am examining various aspects of Catholicism with a view toward either converting or not converting.

I would appreciate it if someone would advise if Catholics are required to believe that this house is really the house of St. Mary. Is this belief optional or required, in other words.

If it is not required for belief, why is it touted as the house of St. Mary without any reservations?

Personally, I find it far-fetched. If anyone has good sources for why, historically, this is the house of St. Mary, I would be grateful.

Thank you, in advance, for your help.
Catholics are not required to believe in the legitimacy of any specific relics or anything like that. Even the Shroud of Turin is up for debate, and the Church does not make judgments about those things that are required to be held. Personally, I’ve never heard of this house and don’t know anything about it.

If you’re not yet familiar with the Catechism of the Catholic Church, that’s where you’ll find explanations the beliefs that are to be held. 🙂
 
Catholics are not required to believe in the legitimacy of any specific relics or anything like that. Even the Shroud of Turin is up for debate, and the Church does not make judgments about those things that are required to be held. Personally, I’ve never heard of this house and don’t know anything about it.

If you’re not yet familiar with the Catechism of the Catholic Church, that’s where you’ll find explanations the beliefs that are to be held. 🙂
I was in Ephesus around 1963 when our submarine pulled into Izmir. I visited the house of Mary as well as the miraculous spring outside it where many pilgrims collect holy water. I seem to remember that the actual house is buried beneath the existing structure, a replica I believe. I don’t know what the Church position is on this site but there are the usual crutches etc. supposedly left by those who were healed. I hope you are as overwhelmed as I was by all the ancient and Church history in that site, worth a visit at any cost.
 
I mean this: on Catholic Answers Live, Karl Keating has appeared several times to talk about their up coming tour. He has told the radio audience that they will be visiting the house of St. Mary, making no caveats for the possibility that it is not the house of St. Mary. As a non-Catholic, I thought, based on his statements, that this was more or less an official teaching of the church. As has been described above, the church makes no requirements that believers attest, as a matter of faith, to the historicity of any relic or historical site (or do I misunderstand?).

My problem is that since Catholic Answers claims to be “faithful to the Magisterium”, how can non-magisterial teachings be taught without caveats?

However, let me further state that this is not a big deal.
What do you mean by “without any reservations”? :confused:
 
sacred-destinations.com/turkey/ephesus-house-of-the-virgin

This article talks about how the house came to be known as Mary’s house. I personally love Anne Catherine and have read a few of the books that were written from her revelations. But, like all personal revelations, one is not required to believe what another person has spoken. Personal revelations by God to anyone is just that- personal.

A Catholic, atheist or alien does not have to believe that the house is Mary’s. Of course, a Catholic, atheist or alien can believe it. The Catholic Church has no official position; however, she had to live somewhere and Ephesus is based on John’s travels there and Jesus giving Mary to John to take care of.
 
I was in Ephesus, and visited “Mary’s House” a couple of years back. There is a stone structure dating to the 4th - 6th century, with the foundation of a much older building - that well could date to the first century - beneath it. I believe some reconstruction took place in the 1940s.

Several Popes have visited; Pope John Paul II, I believe, declared the place worthy of pilgrimage. Pope Benedict said Mass there, as well. ephesus.us/pope_visit_virgin_mary_house.htm

While Catholics are never required to believe any private revelation, there is a very long history of belief that Mary lived here. You can do with that what you will.

Ephesus is a truly fascinating place; not only did we love visiting Mary’s possible home, but also sitting in the coliseum where St. Paul preached…just amazing!!! If you get the opportunity, visit…it is well worth it.
 
I was in Ephesus, and visited “Mary’s House” a couple of years back. There is a stone structure dating to the 4th - 6th century, with the foundation of a much older building - that well could date to the first century - beneath it. I believe some reconstruction took place in the 1940s.

Several Popes have visited; Pope John Paul II, I believe, declared the place worthy of pilgrimage. Pope Benedict said Mass there, as well. ephesus.us/pope_visit_virgin_mary_house.htm

While Catholics are never required to believe any private revelation, there is a very long history of belief that Mary lived here. You can do with that what you will.

Ephesus is a truly fascinating place; not only did we love visiting Mary’s possible home, but also sitting in the coliseum where St. Paul preached…just amazing!!! If you get the opportunity, visit…it is well worth it.
If you are a believer in Miracles - perhaps you might want to investigate also the Hose of the Holy Family in Loreto Italy. It is purported to be the very House that the Annunciation to the Blessed Virgin Mary took place and the Lord Jesus was raised. The miracle being how it got to be in Loreto Italy. Although some dispute this - MANY POPES Have venerated it and that is not disputed.

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I mean this: on Catholic Answers Live, Karl Keating has appeared several times to talk about their up coming tour. He has told the radio audience that they will be visiting the house of St. Mary, making no caveats for the possibility that it is not the house of St. Mary. As a non-Catholic, I thought, based on his statements, that this was more or less an official teaching of the church. As has been described above, the church makes no requirements that believers attest, as a matter of faith, to the historicity of any relic or historical site (or do I misunderstand?).

My problem is that since Catholic Answers claims to be “faithful to the Magisterium”, how can non-magisterial teachings be taught without caveats?

However, let me further state that this is not a big deal.
True, it is not; nevertheles, it should demonstrate the folly of judging what is authoritative teaching of the Roman Catholic Church based on the promotions of a tour.
 
I have heard a few references to the house of St. Mary at Ephesus on Catholic Answers Live, including references to a visit to that house during their upcoming Mediterranean tour.

I’m not Catholic, and I am examining various aspects of Catholicism with a view toward either converting or not converting.

I would appreciate it if someone would advise if Catholics are required to believe that this house is really the house of St. Mary. Is this belief optional or required, in other words.

If it is not required for belief, why is it touted as the house of St. Mary without any reservations?

Personally, I find it far-fetched. If anyone has good sources for why, historically, this is the house of St. Mary, I would be grateful.

Thank you, in advance, for your help.
Well, the whole story began when a French priest, the Abbé Julien Gouyet of Paris, discovered a small stone building on a mountain overlooking the Aegean Sea and the ruins of ancient Ephesus in Turkey on October 18th, 1881. Abbé Julien believed it to be the house of Mary in Ephesus based on his reading of the visions of Blessed Anne Catherine Emmerich (1774-1824), but at the time, he was not taken seriously.

Ten years later, two Lazarist missionaries from Smyrna rediscovered the building - also using Emmerich’s visions as a guide. What is interesting is, they also learned that the inhabitants of a certain distant mountain village - which are purported to have descended from the Christians of Ephesus - also knew of the existence of the same ruins, which they called Panaya Kapulu (“Chapel of the Most Holy”). These folks made an annual pilgrimage to the site during the 15th of August, the date on which most of the Christian world celebrated the Assumption, as they believed that it was the spot where Mary died and/or was assumed.

The ruins, as it stands now (as others said, the building was restored in recent times; the restored portion of the chapel is distinguished from the original remains by a line painted in red), apparently dates from the 6th-7th century AD, but parts of the foundation and some coal found on the site is taken as evidence pointing to an earlier time - probably even around the 1st century.

Now, of course the Catholic Church (Roman or Eastern or what-have-you) does not have an official position on the site, as it does on other holy places and purported relics. It is of course not required for people to believe that Mary lived here to be Catholic in good standing. It has, however, from the blessing of the first pilgrimage by Pope Leo XIII in 1896, taken a positive attitude towards the probability the house was actually the home of Mary. Pope Pius XII, in 1951, following the definition of the dogma of the Assumption in 1950, elevated the house to the status of a Holy Place, a privilege later made permanent by Pope John XXIII. Of course, such bestowals of status does not say anything about their authenticity: even if somehow it proves to be not Mary’s, it would still be a very fitting memorial to the Mother of God.

Now, I’ll admit that I have a bit of reservations about the site being the location where Mary was assumed (since virtually all of the earliest sources which mention Mary post-Jesus places the location of her tomb - and thus her Assumption - in Jerusalem, for a start), but I am willing to consider the possibility that she did live there - for a time, at least. But even if not, I personally think the site could also fit as evidence of the practice of Marian devotion among early Christians - if not her actual house, it could also be some sort of shrine the Christian community in Ephesus built in her memory and honor (perhaps even under the influence of St. John himself!) 🙂
 
Thank you for this very interesting account.
Well, the whole story began when a French priest, the Abbé Julien Gouyet of Paris, discovered a small stone building on a mountain overlooking the Aegean Sea and the ruins of ancient Ephesus in Turkey on October 18th, 1881. Abbé Julien believed it to be the house of Mary in Ephesus based on his reading of the visions of Blessed Anne Catherine Emmerich (1774-1824), but at the time, he was not taken seriously.

Ten years later, two Lazarist missionaries from Smyrna rediscovered the building - also using Emmerich’s visions as a guide. What is interesting is, they also learned that the inhabitants of a certain distant mountain village - which are purported to have descended from the Christians of Ephesus - also knew of the existence of the same ruins, which they called Panaya Kapulu (“Chapel of the Most Holy”). These folks made an annual pilgrimage to the site during the 15th of August, the date on which most of the Christian world celebrated the Assumption, as they believed that it was the spot where Mary died and/or was assumed.

The ruins, as it stands now (as others said, the building was restored in recent times; the restored portion of the chapel is distinguished from the original remains by a line painted in red), apparently dates from the 6th-7th century AD, but parts of the foundation and some coal found on the site is taken as evidence pointing to an earlier time - probably even around the 1st century.

Now, of course the Catholic Church (Roman or Eastern or what-have-you) does not have an official position on the site, as it does on other holy places and purported relics. It is of course not required for people to believe that Mary lived here to be Catholic in good standing. It has, however, from the blessing of the first pilgrimage by Pope Leo XIII in 1896, taken a positive attitude towards the probability the house was actually the home of Mary. Pope Pius XII, in 1951, following the definition of the dogma of the Assumption in 1950, elevated the house to the status of a Holy Place, a privilege later made permanent by Pope John XXIII. Of course, such bestowals of status does not say anything about their authenticity: even if somehow it proves to be not Mary’s, it would still be a very fitting memorial to the Mother of God.

Now, I’ll admit that I have a bit of reservations about the site being the location where Mary was assumed (since virtually all of the earliest sources which mention Mary post-Jesus places the location of her tomb - and thus her Assumption - in Jerusalem, for a start), but I am willing to consider the possibility that she did live there - for a time, at least. But even if not, I personally think the site could also fit as evidence of the practice of Marian devotion among early Christians - if not her actual house, it could also be some sort of shrine the Christian community in Ephesus built in her memory and honor (perhaps even under the influence of St. John himself!) 🙂
 
For much more information about Mary’s House in Ephesus, Turkey please visit my blog at www.sistermarie.com. There you will read not only some booklets I have written about Mary’s House and it’s history, but also you will learn about it’s Foundress, Sister Marie de Mandat-Grancey, Daughter of Charity, 1837-1915. As part of the Sr. Marie de Mandat-Grancey Foundation I am praying and working diligently for the opening of the cause for her beatification. You see, in Mary’s House Christians and Muslims honor Mary (Meryem) and in complete silence pray side by side in peace…a unique Marian devotion accross religious lines…a true reason to hope for peace through the intercession of Mary…and Sister Marie is the one God has chosen to “open the door” to Mary’s House for all to enter and pray. Please consider visiting the blog and signing the online petition. Look for announcements regarding the upcoming book on the life of Sister Marie entitle *A Guiding Star *written by Father Carl Schulte, CM. as well as other announcements about the progress of the cause hopefully coming later this year and into 2011, God willing. God bless you.
 
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