St. Michael the Archangel

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This is a cut and paste from one of my previous post…how can you dispute this?

**I respectfully disagree. Read what I have written below and cut and paste from an article. It doesn’t coincide with your RE teacher. I have also included a link to the complete article.

I got this from following the link below. I could be reading this wrong, but my understanding is that St. Michael is a Princely Seraphim…a chief Seraphim, so he is in fact the highest ranking Angel right? Again, I could be wrong.

Archangels
**Archangels are generally taken to mean “chief or leading angel” ( Jude 9; 1 Thes 4:16), they are the most frequently mentioned throughout the Bible. They may be of this or other hierarchies as St. Michael Archangel, who is a princely Seraph. The Archangels have a unique role as God’s messenger to the people at critical times in history and salvation (Tb 12:6, 15; Jn 5:4; Rv 12:7-9) as in The Annunciation and Apocalypse. A feast day celebrating the Archangels Michael, Gabriel and Raphael is celebrated throughout the Church Sep 29. A special part of the Byzantine Liturgy invokes the “Cherubic Hymn” which celebrates these archangels and the guardian angels particularly. Of special significance is St. Michael as he has been invoked as patron and protector by the Church from the time of the Apostles. The Eastern Rite and many others place him over all the angels, as Prince of the Seraphim. He is described as the “chief of princes” and as the leader of the forces of heaven in their triumph over Satan and his followers. The angel Gabriel first appeared in the Old Testament in the prophesies of Daniel, he announced the prophecy of 70 weeks (Dn 9:21-27). He appeared to Zechariah to announce the birth of St. John the Baptist (Lk 1:11). It was also Gabriel which proclaimed the Annunciation of Mary to be the mother of our Lord and Saviour. (Lk 1:26) The angel Raphael first appeared in the book of Tobit (Tobias)Tb 3:25, 5:5-28, 6-12). He announces “I am the Angel Raphael, one of the seven who stand before the throne of God.” (Tb 12:15)

catholic.org/saints/anglchoi.php
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tuopaolo:
Michael was NOT given Lucifer’s seraphic rank. St Thomas Aquinas teaches that St Michael is not a seraph, but is from the second lowest choir of angels. An angel can’t be a member of more than one choir anyway. The choirs of angels are classes of angelic species, each angel being his own species. Let me quote from the Catholic Encyclopedia:

“according to St. Thomas (Summa Ia.113.3) he is the prince of the last and lowest choir, the angels.”

newadvent.org/cathen/10275b.htm

And there is NO Catholic theologian in Church history who believed that an angel could be a member of more than one choir – that would be like saying that an angel could be a member of more than one species!

It is legitimate to believe that perhaps Michael’s title “archangel” refers not to the choir to which he belongs but to his preeminence among all the angels and that he in fact belongs to the choir of seraphim, but it is not legitimate at all and indeed incoherent to believe that an angel can belong to more than one choir of angels.

On taking the place of Lucifer … First Mary Most Holy has the very highest place in Heaven; she is more glorious than all the angels and saints combined and is thus honored with hyperdulia. Second, there is a story sometimes told by some Franciscans that God gave St Francis of Assisi the place that He was going to give Lucifer before he rebelled.
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I think your confusion lies in different uses of the word archangel. There is a choir of archangels and these are the 2nd lowest choir of angels. You can’t be a member of this choir and a member of another choir such as the seraphim at the same time. But another potential use of the word archangel is simply to mean a chief or great angel. Some argue that this is what scripture means when it calls Michael an archangel and that thus he is not necessarily a member of the choir of archangels but may be a member of the choir of seraphim, the highest choir. Saints and theologians disagree on whether Michael is a seraphim or a member of the choir of archangels. I happen to think that he is a member of the choir of archangels, but I could be wrong.
 
I see what you are saying now…puzzling? I guess we will not know for sure until our time on Earth ends and hopefully we make it to Heaven 🙂
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tuopaolo:
I think your confusion lies in different uses of the word archangel. There is a choir of archangels and these are the 2nd lowest choir of angels. You can’t be a member of this choir and a member of another choir such as the seraphim at the same time. But another potential use of the word archangel is simply to mean a chief or great angel. Some argue that this is what scripture means when it calls Michael an archangel and that thus he is not necessarily a member of the choir of archangels but may be a member of the choir of seraphim, the highest choir. Saints and theologians disagree on whether Michael is a seraphim or a member of the choir of archangels. I happen to think that he is a member of the choir of archangels, but I could be wrong.
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St Michael is the leader of God’s Army in some sense. He is a great protector and counselor to the souls in purgatory as well. When I pray and am distracted, I ask St Michael for protection from the distraction, it works…yes he is a VIP in Heaven as far as I’m concerned and the visionaries who have seen purgatory will tell you what an important role he plays in bringing those souls into Heaven after they have been cleansed.
 
Two points:
  1. *] God “put down the mighty from their thrones and exalted those of low degree” in order to HUMBLE and TEACH the ‘mighty’ a lesson. Theologians tell us that once we are in heaven, our knowledge will be complete – meaning that we will be incapable of learning / absorbing any more. This is also the reason why the devil and his demons were banished to hell for all eternity – because they were set in there ways and are not capable of repenting.

    That said, it stands to reason that the angels who faithfully serve God are also set in there ways and do not need to be ‘humbled’ or taught a lesson. Therefore, there would be no reason for God to break the chain of command which He Himself established and bring up a corporal to lead His army of angels. Instead, the job would have fallen to those that were next in line for that assignment.

    *] We really can’t be sure what was before and only speculate but we CAN be certain that Michael is NOW the “Prince of Angels” and third in charge after God (Father, Son & Holy Spirit) and Mary.
 
I have always found the Prayer to St.Michael a powerful one.I hope to take part in the Salvatorians’ Christmas Novena of Masses between 16th.and 24th.December(Saints Michael,
Gabriel,Raphael and the Guardian Angels).
 
Steve Andersen:
Good enough?
Heck we’re not looking for perfection…that’s why they call it “practicing”

There was only one guy I know of who was perfect and the Romans executed Him

Not a bad start
Journey of 1000 miles etc etc 😉

Somebody has a rather dreary image of Catholicism

nothing wrong with giving points for trying

Of course sin can be “fun” that’s why it’s so hard to stop

If sinning was like rubbing ground glass in your eyes we’d all be on our way to heaven

IIRC there’s nothing in the rules against beer
In fact some of the best beer on the planet is produced by monasteries. Yummy!

As for the hot chicks well……I did say it wasn’t easy

Of course marrying a hot chick is strongly encouraged

The topic is about St Michael

I think that he is indicative of what a “big tent” organization the Church is.
We have warrior saints like SM as well as martyrs
Public figures and those who lead contemplative lives
There are patrons for every imaginable profession
The tradition is very broad and very deep
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You are kind to take the time to respond to this poor person. The one thing that I can speak of personally is St. Michael’s intervention when we are beset with demons and temptations of all sorts. God bless you and him/her.
 
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dumspirospero:
YEs it is all wonderful…I love Catholicism…the only problem is that I can never get enough of it…I am on a constant learning experience, which is good 🙂
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I know exactly what you mean. I studied for probably a year before I was baptized and confirmed. That was over a year ago and I am still like a little kid that just wandered in from the cold and bleakness of northern tundra to a lush green living world of beauty. You can spend weeks or months just learning what there is to know about one aspect of the faith and then something else catches your attention and you rush off to learn all there is to know about that. There seems to be no end of the depth and breadth and richness of the faith. It is almost overpowering at times.

Makes you wonder how anyone could walk away, doesn’t it?

Michael, the archangel? Good choice. He is also a good one to ask for help, along with and perhaps through your own guardian angel. And praise God with them. That is one thing they love to do.
 
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tuopaolo:
There are nine choirs of angels and archangels, like St Michael, actually constitute the second lowest of these choirs. So St Michael is far from the highest angel. The highest choir are the seraphim.
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Correct!

There are 9 choirs of angels in 3 hierachies:

A:
  1. Seraphims
  2. Cherubims
  3. Thrones
B:
4. Dominions
5. Principalities
6. Powers

C:
7. Virtues
8. Archangels
9. Angels

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tralon:
It would have been easier if you just named yourself John Travolta.
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LOL. 😉 This was a joke. A few years ago, there was a movie called “Michael” which starred John Travolta as the Archangel.
 
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bob:
Correct!

There are 9 choirs of angels in 3 hierachies:
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Good Job Bob! :tiphat:
I’d also like to suggest to whoever LOVES St. Michael (like me :love: ) that they pray St. Michaels Angelic Chaplet! It’s a wonderful chaplet to pray! It should be available in your local Catholic gift shop!
 
ST. MICHAEL IS ALSO THE KNOWN AS THE BREATH of the REDEAMER/CHRIST; VICTORY OVER EARTHLY DEATH:

JN 10:18 No one takes it from me, but I lay it down on my own. I have power to lay it down, and power to take it up again. This command I have received from my Father."

10:17 This is why the Father loves me, because I lay down my life in order to take it up again.

Without the BREATH of the HOLY SPIRIT, or PART of the HOLY SPIRIT not much life exists, or will EXIST!

JN 3:6 What is born of flesh is flesh and what is born of spirit is spirit.

JN 4:24 God is Spirit, and those who worship him must worship in Spirit and truth."
 
I see under tralon’s name that he is banned, that to me means that he shouldn’t be allowed to express his opinion & i can see why—he is just making fun of catholicism & we don’t need people like him interacting in these catholic forums
 
for more on angels, Peter kreeft has a terrific book on angels (Ignatius Press) and Mother Angelica has a delightful pamphlet on heaven which discusses angels, my MIL picked it up when she visited in Alabama, but I guess it would be on the EWTN website, too.
 
I think, that after our Lord, ( God ) , would come the Blessed Virgin Mary. And Saint Michael is Her Captain, and chief among the angelic choirs. But all in Heaven are abundantly blessed and happy in Christ and Mary.
 
I can’t begin to express my love for St. Michael the Archangel. He has the strength of a million armies to protect those who call upon him for assistance in the most difficult of matters. It is St. Michael who has always kept close guard on my heart and soul wherein lives Christ.

Thank you St. Michael for your tender love and endless loyality to this little creature named Mary also known by God as Isabus. I love you.:love:
 
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