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Paul_theApostle
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I was told these two Saints were de-canonised by Rome,what does this mean?
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ESMDHokie77
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source?? I believe this is not valid.
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Paul_theApostle
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An Orthodox priest told me
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ESMDHokie77
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Both of these saints lived in a time before a formal canonization process was in place. That is not to say that our modern process for canonization undermines historical saints. We know they are saints from our Tradition.
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Tarpeian_Rock
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What to do with all that green beer?
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Corki
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Absolutely not true. There are a few popular saints who no longer have feast days on the universal calendar such as St. Christopher. However St. Patrick and St. Nicholas are fully recognized by the Church as saints on the universal calendar.
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AntalKalnoky
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St Patrick is Very unlikely be decanonized! He was The Origin of Sainthood: Massive Numbers of Then Irish insisted on his being called Saint; One current still requirement For Canonization is ‘popilar demand for’. The Cannon Laws of Cannonization were studied, encted after St Patrick and St Nicholas’ Highly ‘universally’ popular ‘appointed a Saint’. And St Nicholas (Not commercial use “santa clause”) was widelly known early Bishop in now Turkey, Wealthy Family, who began leaving presents at homes of young girls, so their Dad would not ‘sell them for the dowries’ Then expected, even for Very young girls, sometimes 8 to 12, in That Culture.
The only one I know ‘decanonized’ was “St” Chritopher Columbus, by Vatican II, because not enough is known that Justified him to be Named, (not Cannized) Saint.
Our Formal Orthodox (not 22 Eastern/Byzantine brothers know lless of our Roman requiremnts, especially 'decanonization; Rome Respects Most of Their Saints as Ours also, and uses them in Our Liturgies, including Mass. St John Chrysistum (sic) is an enormously Respectd Very early Church Doctor of Rome; our Orthodox brothers don’t hace Official Church Doctors of The Church, yet, before Full Union with Some, not far away, as 22 ‘Eastern’ aka ‘byzantine’ Orthodox Churches have.
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The only one I know ‘decanonized’ was “St” Chritopher Columbus, by Vatican II, because not enough is known that Justified him to be Named, (not Cannized) Saint.
Our Formal Orthodox (not 22 Eastern/Byzantine brothers know lless of our Roman requiremnts, especially 'decanonization; Rome Respects Most of Their Saints as Ours also, and uses them in Our Liturgies, including Mass. St John Chrysistum (sic) is an enormously Respectd Very early Church Doctor of Rome; our Orthodox brothers don’t hace Official Church Doctors of The Church, yet, before Full Union with Some, not far away, as 22 ‘Eastern’ aka ‘byzantine’ Orthodox Churches have.
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barb_finnegan
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Not true! If St. Patrick were ‘de-canonized’, you’d have a lot of [still-Catholic] Irish after you! 
And St. Nicholas is a historic character, too-he was at the Council of Nicea (I think) where he punched Arius (originator of the ‘Arian’ heresy)…way to go, St. Nicholas!
I know St. Nicholas is very popular in the Eastern Churches. He’s one of the Patron Saints of Russia.
And St. Nicholas is a historic character, too-he was at the Council of Nicea (I think) where he punched Arius (originator of the ‘Arian’ heresy)…way to go, St. Nicholas!
I know St. Nicholas is very popular in the Eastern Churches. He’s one of the Patron Saints of Russia.
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Joe_5859
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The St. Christopher that was taken off the liturgical calendar was not Christopher Columbus, nor was his removal an act of the Second Vatican Council.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Christopher
As to the OP, neither St. Nicholas nor St. Patrick have been “de-canonized.” They are both still on the liturgical calendar.
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Marie5890
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Um, they both still have feast days on the universal calendar. The idea that they have been “de-canonised” doesn’t make sense.
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Marie5890
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He needs to look at the Universal Calendar of the Church.
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barb_finnegan
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You’re right about St. Christopher being ‘demoted’. I remember that happened in 1970.
Among the other Saints dropped was my name Saint, Saint Barbara. I was not very happy about that back then!
However, it can be ‘reversed’: not many years ago, Blessed Pope John Paul II reinstated the feast day of St. Catherine of Alexandria (November 24-I think). She’s now back on the Universal Calendar of the Church.
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AntalKalnoky
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St Nick may have inspired the Irish to share even the Last Potato, later, IMONot true! If St. Patrick were ‘de-canonized’, you’d have a lot of [still-Catholic] Irish after you!
And St. Nicholas is a historic character, too-he was at the Council of Nicea (I think) where he punched Arius (originator of the ‘Arian’ heresy)…way to go, St. Nicholas!
Besides, St Patrick inspired the Irish Warriors to get clothed to attend Mass, and further Irish Warrior wisdoms began when Celtic Warriors has a little too much Irish Brew before Combat To Fight, thus settled disputes too drunk, invented the famed Irish Pubs: Drunk disagreements settled most problems, with far fewer Swords. Irish Pubs are recent centuries The Solution for Irish disputes. :irish1::irish2::blackeye:
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I know St. Nicholas is very popular in the Eastern Churches. He’s one of the Patron Saints of Russia.
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AntalKalnoky
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(Our Eastern and Orthodox brothers Also have Their similar Calender of Saints, and Saints observances ) :byzsoc:He needs to look at the Universal Calendar of the Church.
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AntalKalnoky
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I haven’t heard that they were even being considered for decanonization by the Vatican; They were the Earliest Saints Named by the Vatican, because of their Universal Popularity, Before the Rules of Canonization were developed; they were the earliest Saints that Inspired the Canonization Rules later Established. Martyrdom is Automatic cannonization, miost know only to Our Lord: Ruanda Genocide, Many other Genocides in the worst Century: the 20th
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Paul_theApostle
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ok… im glad …,i was told just a few hours ago…dont know where he got the info from
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Tantum_ergo
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You think correctly about St. Catherine but it’s November 25. Also, St. Barbara is not on the calendar for the U.S. but she remains so in France and in other nations for December 4 (my mother is a Barbara so you’d better believe we keep that feast day!)You’re right about St. Christopher being ‘demoted’. I remember that happened in 1970.
Among the other Saints dropped was my name Saint, Saint Barbara. I was not very happy about that back then!
However, it can be ‘reversed’: not many years ago, Blessed Pope John Paul II reinstated the feast day of St. Catherine of Alexandria (November 24-I think). She’s now back on the Universal Calendar of the Church.
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AntalKalnoky
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Our point is Not Liturgical Calendar but “DeCanonization” of Roman Catholic Saints I specifically remember St Christopher was ‘decanonized’ formally As a a Saint from Vatican II research, because of lack of history/documention ca Vatican II. We were told to continue fully respecting him if we wished. The Liturgical Calender has Days of Not Canonized Saints such as The Archangel Gabriel and “Saint Joseph” the Carpenter earthly stepfather of Our Saviour.
- (I was mistaken about Christopher Columbus, a famous figure, considered for the name of ‘saint’ because of popularity. (However, Scientist have Proven Chris Columbus didn’t discover anything except a few Carribean Islands.) Leif Ericson, the Viking Settlers of Iceland and Greenland have been shown to have settled briefly at the Canadian Coast and questionably further in and South. So the Vikings Discovered The Americas. Search: Leif Erricson
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Melchior_1
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How can a Saint who was never canonized be de-canonized?
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Fink
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He can`t be very orthodox!
Saint Brendan, ANOTHER Irish saint, sailed his hide boat across the Atlantic via Iceland. Tim Severin and co retraced his voyage, in the same type of craft, in 1976-77
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