St Nicholas and St Patrick de-canonised?

[Joe_5859]

Our point is Not Liturgical Calendar but “DeCanonization” of Roman Catholic Saints I specifically remember St Christopher was ‘decanonized’ formally As a a Saint from Vatican II research, because of lack of history/documention ca Vatican II. We were told to continue fully respecting him if we wished. The Liturgical Calender has Days of Not Canonized Saints such as The Archangel Gabriel and “Saint Joseph” the Carpenter earthly stepfather of Our Saviour.

• (I was mistaken about Christopher Columbus, a famous figure, considered for the name of ‘saint’ because of popularity. (However, Scientist have Proven Chris Columbus didn’t discover anything except a few Carribean Islands.) Leif Ericson, the Viking Settlers of Iceland and Greenland have been shown to have settled briefly at the Canadian Coast and questionably further in and South. So the Vikings Discovered The Americas. Search: Leif Erricson

What does this formal “decanonization” entail? What is the name and date of the motu proprio that effected this formal act?

The only thing I have come across is Paul VI’s motu proprio [Mysterii Paschalis (http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/p...u-proprio_19690214_mysterii-paschalis_en.html) (Feb. 14, 1969) which whittled down some of the saints feast days from the universal calendar (including St. Christopher). But nothing is mentioned of “decanonization”.

I’m not trying to bait you. I am simply unaware of any formal act from the Church removing the title of “Saint” from anyone. If you know the specific document, please let me know so I can be better educated on the matter.

 

[AntalKalnoky]

How can a Saint who was never canonized be de-canonized?

Official Cannonization norms, then Canon Law were established after the first Saints, known and famously very widelly respected as “Saints”, first Named by the Popes 1st Millenia. Some of those were “St” Christpher (Undocumented history, thus removed from “Saint”), etc. The Rules, then Canon Law were written because of the Obvious Need for a Policy to determine official Sainthood. No Formally Canonized Saint has been decanonized, unless there was obvious Error in Not Following the known Cannonization Norms (Rules)… I know of None. The St Barbara (aerly Saint) was never 'decanonozed, as another posting here alleges, according to Search; and she is Eastern (Orthodox) first centuries Saint.

 

[AntalKalnoky]

Our Church Cardinals, and the Pope, and published Catholic Experts have felt not many may be in Hell, because of God’s Love for us, * UNL:ESS they died Glad they committed a major Sin. *That is Most knowledgeable, comprehensive recent Thinking., especially Common Sense. We Catholics Full Bible Supported/supporting, as no other Church: Old Testament (1 Machabees) and St Paul “Cleansing as if by fire” (Corrinthians) and more Biblical teachings of a Purging Condition, to Cleanse us For Heaven.

 

[barb_finnegan]

You think correctly about St. Catherine but it’s November 25. Also, St. Barbara is not on the calendar for the U.S. but she remains so in France and in other nations for December 4 (my mother is a Barbara so you’d better believe we keep that feast day!)

Thanks for the correction on St. Catherine’s feast day (well, I WAS close ).

St. Barbara is also big among the Germans. My mother came from Germany and she gave me my name. ( I’m a twin, and my sister’s name is Pat. My dad wanted to name me Michelle-probably thinking of the old Tracy/Hepburn movie ‘Pat and Mike’-but Mom overruled him! )

 

[crazzeto]

Absolutely not true. There are a few popular saints who no longer have feast days on the universal calendar such as St. Christopher. However St. Patrick and St. Nicholas are fully recognized by the Church as saints on the universal calendar.

Even a saint who lost their place on the calendar does not stand “defrocked” as a saint.

 

[puzzleannie]

I was told these two Saints were de-canonised by Rome,what does this mean?

and the source for this remarkable claim is? refuse to debate someone who can’t give a source

what did happen is that neither saint is on the universal Roman calendar, that is the entire Church does not celebrate their feast day as in former times. They are both patron saints of countries, and in those places their feasts are solemnities.

 

[AntalKalnoky]

You’re right about St. Christopher being ‘demoted’. I remember that happened in 1970.

Among the other Saints dropped was my name Saint, Saint Barbara. I was not very happy about that back then!

However, it can be ‘reversed’: not many years ago, Blessed Pope John Paul II reinstated the feast day of St. Catherine of Alexandria (November 24-I think). She’s now back on the Universal Calendar of the Church.

Saint Barbara is a Highly honored Easter/Orthodox Saint of the very early Church.

 

[Paul_theApostle]

and the source for this remarkable claim is? refuse to debate someone who can’t give a source

i dont know where the Orthodox priest got his information from ,i didnt ask him,

 

[VivaCristoRey27]

Some saints were removed in the Novus Ordo Calendar (e.g. St. Christopher) and some other saints who never had a place on the universal calendar were attacked as having no good evidence that they ever even existed (e.g. St. Barbara, St. Philomena). However, the popularity of these saints is good evidence that they did indeed exist and are saints in Heaven. It is scandalous and impious for people to attack such popular saints.

 

[Corki]

and the source for this remarkable claim is? refuse to debate someone who can’t give a source

what did happen is that neither saint is on the universal Roman calendar, that is the entire Church does not celebrate their feast day as in former times. They are both patron saints of countries, and in those places their feasts are solemnities.

PA, Do you know where to find the universal calendar online? Saints Nicholas and Patrick are on the US calendar as optional memorials and I didn’t know they weren’t on the universal one.

 

[Alexander_Roman]

The person who told you that was entirely misinformed.

There were Saints in the Roman Catholic West that were removed from the UNIVERSAL calendar (St John Nepomuk readily comes to mind as does St George).

That does not mean they cannot continue to be liturgically venerated locally, such as in England where St George is that country’s patron saint.

St Nicholas was certainly not taken out of the universal calendar.

One thing that Orthodox and Catholics share in common is a common ignorance of one another’s traditions that leads them to make outlandish and untrue statements . . .

There is a unity in at least that, one might suppose . . .

Alex