St. Padre Pio's Guardian Angel

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Did St. Padre Pio ever describe what his Guardian Angel looked like?
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The saints and those who experienced near death experiences have described the Angels as being 7 or 8 foot tall, and incredibly beautiful,
 
Angels have no physical appearance, as they are pure spirits. For our sake they sometimes assume a physical form or apparition that we can relate to.
 
Never having (knowingly) seen an angel, I couldn’t say.

I have read that if we could “perceive” an angel as it truly is, we would be absolutely convinced it was God, so magnificent are they.

One wonders whether an angel has to take on a visual form to be perceived, or whether it can just cause a visual sensation directly in the brain. One is inclined to think the latter. If so, it can create the impression it wishes to create and as allowed by God.

St. Thomas Aquinas reasoned that an angel is a totally unified being. It does not will one thing and do another. Its decision is its action, and its decision is driven by its nature. At one time, or in some mode of being, their decisionmaking was separated from their nature, but no longer.

We are told that angels have some kind of agency in ordering the universe. One can speculate that perhaps they, or some of them, are entrusted with the very nature of physical action; that is, the principles underlying them. So, for example, might an angel be “in charge” of the mathematical principles governing the internal action of black holes? If they are of that sort, we could probably not “hear” the name of an angel and live; the name of an angel being coextensive with its nature. Every cell in our brains would fire at once trying to take it in, and our hearts would burst with the overwhelming wonder of it.

If one believes such things, one must believe Padre Pio’s “seeing” his angel was perception of an image that was greatly less than the whole.

Thinking about things like that, one then wonders what our perception of God will be like. Being limited beings, we can never fully penetrate God. Eternity would not be enough to do that even if we learned and experienced a thousand lifetimes of learning and experience every second of our lives after death. But we’ll no longer have the filtration that comes with physical bodies and will “expand” like a supernova, spiritually.

A remarkable speculation.

Padre Pio believed we get a “second chance” at or even after the moment of death, when we see how grave our sins really were. We can then either accept God’s mercy and love or reject it. Ste. Therese of Lisieux thought the same thing. Hard to believe anyone would reject it, but it’s sort of imaginable if one is utterly devoted to self-worship.

Ste Therese believed all in hell volunteered for it; that is, choosing self-worship and self-absorption for all eternity. We would nevertheless be aware of what that choice entailed, including the loss, and that’s why we will hate God. Most of all, we will hate Him for his mercy and love because of the affront it will seem to one who thinks of himself as sufficient for himself. If the self is supreme, then penance is impossible.
 
Padre Pio believed we get a “second chance” at or even after the moment of death, when we see how grave our sins really were. We can then either accept God’s mercy and love or reject it. Ste. Therese of Lisieux thought the same thing.
They would have believed no such thing, because that’s heresy.

When we die, it’s over.

Before we’re dead is a different matter, but our will at the time of death is set for all eternity.
 
Angels have no physical appearance, as they are pure spirits. For our sake they sometimes assume a physical form or apparition that we can relate to.
I am fully aware that Guardian Angels (as all are angels) are purely spiritually beings.

I was asking if St. Padre Pio ever described his Guardian Angel.
 
Never having (knowingly) seen an angel, I couldn’t say.

I have read that if we could “perceive” an angel as it truly is, we would be absolutely convinced it was God, so magnificent are they.

One wonders whether an angel has to take on a visual form to be perceived, or whether it can just cause a visual sensation directly in the brain. One is inclined to think the latter. If so, it can create the impression it wishes to create and as allowed by God.

St. Thomas Aquinas reasoned that an angel is a totally unified being. It does not will one thing and do another. Its decision is its action, and its decision is driven by its nature. At one time, or in some mode of being, their decisionmaking was separated from their nature, but no longer.

We are told that angels have some kind of agency in ordering the universe. One can speculate that perhaps they, or some of them, are entrusted with the very nature of physical action; that is, the principles underlying them. So, for example, might an angel be “in charge” of the mathematical principles governing the internal action of black holes? If they are of that sort, we could probably not “hear” the name of an angel and live; the name of an angel being coextensive with its nature. Every cell in our brains would fire at once trying to take it in, and our hearts would burst with the overwhelming wonder of it.

If one believes such things, one must believe Padre Pio’s “seeing” his angel was perception of an image that was greatly less than the whole.

Thinking about things like that, one then wonders what our perception of God will be like. Being limited beings, we can never fully penetrate God. Eternity would not be enough to do that even if we learned and experienced a thousand lifetimes of learning and experience every second of our lives after death. But we’ll no longer have the filtration that comes with physical bodies and will “expand” like a supernova, spiritually.

A remarkable speculation.

**Padre Pio believed we get a “second chance” at or even after the moment of death, when we see how grave our sins really were. We can then either accept God’s mercy and love or reject it. **Ste. Therese of Lisieux thought the same thing. Hard to believe anyone would reject it, but it’s sort of imaginable if one is utterly devoted to self-worship.

Ste Therese believed all in hell volunteered for it; that is, choosing self-worship and self-absorption for all eternity. We would nevertheless be aware of what that choice entailed, including the loss, and that’s why we will hate God. Most of all, we will hate Him for his mercy and love because of the affront it will seem to one who thinks of himself as sufficient for himself. If the self is supreme, then penance is impossible.
Padre Pio did not say that. He does NOT say anything about having a second chance AFTER we die.

This is what he said: “I believe that not a great number of souls go to hell.
God loves us so much. He formed us at his image. God loves us beyond understanding.
And it is my belief that when we have passed from the consciousness of the world,
when we appear to be dead, God, before He judges us, will give us
a chance to see and understand what sin really is.
And if we understand it properly, how could we fail to repent?”
 
Padre Pio did not say that. He does NOT say anything about having a second chance AFTER we die.

This is what he said: “I believe that not a great number of souls go to hell.
God loves us so much. He formed us at his image. God loves us beyond understanding.
And it is my belief that when we have passed from the consciousness of the world,
when we appear to be dead, God, before He judges us, will give us
a chance to see and understand what sin really is.
And if we understand it properly, how could we fail to repent?”
Thank you for that clarification. I hope Eichelbaum simply misunderstood the quote you provided as a “second chance.” I know that immediately after death comes judgment, and that judgment is absolute. Hopefully Christ imparts Divine Mercy (given that the individual is sufficiently contrite and genuinely asks for it) right before we actually die, so that they avoid damnation.
 
I have read that if we could “perceive” an angel as it truly is, we would be absolutely convinced it was God, so magnificent are they…
I think I remember reading about St. Francis of Rome and how she was able to see with her “bodily eye” (as her GA told her) her Guardian Angel. But, at first sight of it, she immediately prostrated herself, believing she was in the presence of God. I think I also remember due to her extremely painful circumstances, an Archangel was eventually entrusted to her as her Guardian Angel.

But I would double check on your whole “second chance” stance.
 
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