St. Patrick's Day

[Havard]

in spite of the remarks it is 17th March as stated - twinc

Source?

catholic.org/saints/saint.php?saint_id=4
newadvent.org/cathen/08504a.htm
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Joseph%27s_Day

Also…

St.Joseph on his feast day of March 17th is well remembered and honoured by the Orthodox Church - twinc

orthodoxwiki.org/Joseph_the_Betrothed

According to the Orthodox wiki: “St Joseph is commemorated on the Sunday after the Nativity. If there is no Sunday between December 25 and January 1, his feast is moved to December 26, along with David the King and James the Brother of our Lord.”

 

[PJM]

=Big Ro;6398279]Is it a settled fact that St. Patrick was a historical person?

** YES! **

"Apostle of Ireland, born at Kilpatrick, near Dumbarton, in Scotland, in the year 387; died at Saul, Downpatrick, Ireland, 17 March, 493. Some sources say 460 or 461. --Ed.

He had for his parents Calphurnius and Conchessa. The former belonged to a Roman family of high rank and held the office of decurio in Gaul or Britain. Conchessa was a near relative of the great patron of Gaul, St. Martin of Tours. Kilpatrick still retains many memorials of Saint Patrick, and frequent pilgrimages continued far into the Middle Ages to perpetuate there the fame of his sanctity and miracles.

In his sixteenth year, Patrick was carried off into captivity by Irish marauders and was sold as a slave to a chieftan named Milchu in Dalriada, a territory of the present county of Antrim in Ireland, where for six years he tended his master’s flocks in the valley of the Braid and on the slopes of Slemish, near the modern town of Ballymena. He relates in his “Confessio” that during his captivity while tending the flocks he prayed many times in the day: “the love of God”, he added,

and His fear increased in me more and more, and the faith grew in me, and the spirit was roused, so that, in a single day, I have said as many as a hundred prayers, and in the night nearly the same, so that whilst in the woods and on the mountain, even before the dawn, I was roused to prayer and felt no hurt from it, whether there was snow or ice or rain; nor was there any slothfulness in me, such as I see now, because the spirit was then fervent within me.

In the ways of a benign Providence the six years of Patrick’s captivity became a remote preparation for his future apostolate. He acquired a perfect knowledge of the Celtic tongue in which he would one day announce the glad tidings of Redemption, and, as his master Milchu was a druidical high priest, he became familiar with all the details of Druidism from whose bondage he was destined to liberate the "

THANKS for asking

God Bless you,
Patrick

 

[human_being]

Can anyone tell us more about Saint Patrick?
Is he a historical character?

A Saint Canonized by the Holy Roman Catholic Church would be a historical character.
How may other people from the year 500 or so are even known by men in the year 2010…not many…It says something about the church, saints and canonization by and through the Church…nobody else has canonised sants do they…

 

[daeve]

I’ve had corned beef that I have remembered in the awful, penitential sense so I’m hoping you are referring only to fond memories!

And, to be completely truthful, I’ve never actually had corned beef and cabbage served together, just separately. However, as I’ve always hated them separately, I can’t imagine what benefit can be realized from combining them.

From my visits to YouTube to research kimchi making, I’ve got the basic idea of what a napa cabbage looks like but the only challenge that remains is actually finding one! I’ve checked with Tesco, Sainsbury’s, the Co-op without any success. Nothing like perseverance, though, even if the subject matter involves an otherwise loathsome vegetable.

That’s an interesting story about your neighbors and a creative way to bury the kimchi! The only way I’ve heard of is the old-fashioned garden method.

Do you have a big old Super WalMart around you? I saw them there a couple hours ago.

Last year was the first time I made corned beef. I did it in the crock pot, and it was ok. This year, I just boiled the little beauty. You open the bag, put the thing in a big pot and cover it with water. There’s a little bag of seasoning in there too, and you just toss that in with it. You boil for 50 minutes per pound, and during the last 30 minutes I added an onion, some carrots and little red potatoes. The cabbage only goes in for a few minutes, and I like it kind of tender so I put it in for about 10 minutes. I got the wrong kind of cabbage and it was a little bitter but better the next day. Regular whitish green cabbage is the right kind. I just got a different kind because I didn’t want as big a head and this one was little. The corned beef itself was really wonderful.

 

[daeve]

When does one drop the Irish and become American and start honouring the patron saint of America in precedence and preference to the patron saint of Ireland - btw 17th March is St.Joseph’s feast day and I think he should be honoured in the rest of the world on this day even if not in Ireland - twinc

You probably meant the 19th of March. It’s also my former wedding anniversary, so I do remember it. We honored him in Brooklyn when I lived there. In the Italian neighborhoods, St. Joseph’s Day was a pretty big deal. And I wish I could find those pretty little cakes they sold on 86th Street in all the Italian bakeries.

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Now that I’ve read farther, I see you don’t mean the 19th of March. Well, I don’t know about Orthodox feast days, but my grandmother encouraged me to set that as my wedding day because who was a better husband than St. Joseph?

The Catholic Encyclopedia indicates March 19. Here’s the link: newadvent.org/cathen/08504a.htm. It’s in the very last paragraph. There are a couple other dates mentioned in the preceding paragraphs too.

 

[twinc]

You probably meant the 19th of March. It’s also my former wedding anniversary, so I do remember it. We honored him in Brooklyn when I lived there. In the Italian neighborhoods, St. Joseph’s Day was a pretty big deal. And I wish I could find those pretty little cakes they sold on 86th Street in all the Italian bakeries.

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Now that I’ve read farther, I see you don’t mean the 19th of March. Well, I don’t know about Orthodox feast days, but my grandmother encouraged me to set that as my wedding day because who was a better husband than St. Joseph?

The Catholic Encyclopedia indicates March 19. Here’s the link: newadvent.org/cathen/08504a.htm. It’s in the very last paragraph. There are a couple other dates mentioned in the preceding paragraphs too.

No,I did not mean the 19th of March.I meant the 17th of March - twinc

 

[Havard]

No,I did not mean the 19th of March.I meant the 17th of March - twinc

You keep saying it’s the 17th… would you mind providing sources to back up this notion as I did in post #78?

 

[Lujack]

When does one drop the Irish and become American and start honouring the patron saint of America in precedence and preference to the patron saint of Ireland - btw 17th March is St.Joseph’s feast day and I think he should be honoured in the rest of the world on this day even if not in Ireland - twinc

March 17th isn’t St. Joseph’s Feast Day; its March 19th, and its a solemnity, which gives it higher precedence that St. Patrick’s Day anyway. If St. Joseph’s feast day falls on a Friday in Lent, the abstention from meat is dispensed automatically; this isn’t the case for St. Patrick. That can happen, but only with the specific dispensation of the bishop.

And there is no conflict between St. Patrick’s Day and the Feast of the Immaculate Conception, just as there is no conflict between being Irish-American and American.

 

[Melchior_1]

During Saint Patrick’s day we at times get a dispensation because he figures prominently in our city (our Basilica is Saint Patrick’s). He’s the “unofficial official” Patron Saint, so to speak. This is on the 17th of March.

Meanwhile, Saint Joseph is the Official Patron Saint of Canada, which means in Catholic circles up here it can be sort of a big deal. It’s a big enough deal that regardless of the day it falls on (Fridays included), we break the Lenten fast. And in my 12 years of being a “revert” and still being in Canada, it has always been on March 19th.

It’s on a Friday this year. With the wonderful weather we’re having might even celebrate with a steak on the porch. And MAYBE…a Stewart’s Rootbeer.

Oh, and Saint Patrick existed of course (but that has already been covered by others). otherwise my wife and I wouldn’t occasionally go to weekday Mass at Saint Pat’s.

 

[Lamafacaja]

:byzsoc: Irish either make really good Catholics or really bad Catholics. Few are in between, I’m afraid. Too passionate. Post VII mess messed things up all over everywhere, not just Ireland unfortunately.

Corned beef and cabbage is indeed like Irish Coffee and American invention and has little to do with Ireland.

It has to do with OUR heritage as Irish Americans. It’s what our Irish American mothers and grandmothers and Irish great grandmothers fed us, who learned about it from the Jews in New York. Can our heritage as Irish Americans matter? Honestly I’m so tired of that ‘you’re not Irish enough’ mentality. Irish American is MY heritage. I know I’m not Irish.

The cabbage is a carry over from Ireland, but you’re right they boiled bacon under the cabbage, not corned beef. The cabbage was meant to take away the smell of the boiling bacon during the meat prohibition, so it wouldn’t be smelt.

 

[Brickmaker]

The cabbage is a carry over from Ireland, but you’re right they boiled bacon under the cabbage, not corned beef. The cabbage was meant to take away the smell of the boiling bacon during the meat prohibition, so it wouldn’t be smelt.

I’ve just shown this to my Irish-born-and-raised wife and she is

There was never a ‘meat prohibition’ in Ireland unless you count the Lenten requirements. There was very great poverty and ordinary people couldn’t afford meat very often. When they did eat it, it was usually bacon.

 

[Brickmaker]

No,I did not mean the 19th of March.I meant the 17th of March - twinc

OK, prove it!

Other posters have provided information on the feasts of St Joseph. Prove them wrong by providing something other than your own assertion.

If you cannot, then at least admit you’re mistaken.

Oh, I’ve just noticed your location is the UK

 

[Lamafacaja]

I’ve just shown this to my Irish-born-and-raised wife and she is

There was never a ‘meat prohibition’ in Ireland unless you count the Lenten requirements. There was very great poverty and ordinary people couldn’t afford meat very often. When they did eat it, it was usually bacon.

If you’ve got another leg to pull, I’ll tell you a second one.

Seriously, bacon (for Lace Curtain) or pigs heads (for the Shanty), though. That’s what they cooked with the cabbage.

Please ask, does your wife know “bubble and squeak”? That’s hash from the leftovers. I’m wondering if it’s American or Irish American.

 

[Brickmaker]

If you’ve got another leg to pull, I’ll tell you a second one.

Seriously, bacon or pigs heads though.

Please ask, does your wife know “bubble and squeak”? That’s hash from the leftovers. I’m wondering if it’s American or Irish American.

I don’t think I’m the one pulling legs here

Bubble and squeak is a traditional BRITISH dish - at least I think that’s what she said from somewhere under the table.

Perhaps you’re thinking of tripe or something called coddle?

 

[Lamafacaja]

I don’t think I’m the one pulling legs here

Bubble and squeak is a traditional BRITISH dish - at least I think that’s what she said from somewhere under the table.

Perhaps you’re thinking of tripe or something called coddle?

Ok, I’m afraid to ask…What was she doing under the table?

 

[Brickmaker]

Ok, I’m afraid to ask…What was she doing under the table?

It’s where she rolled while

 

[Lamafacaja]

Sigh. Thank goodness.
:byzsoc:

 

[twinc]

OK, prove it!

Other posters have provided information on the feasts of St Joseph. Prove them wrong by providing something other than your own assertion.

If you cannot, then at least admit you’re mistaken.

Oh, I’ve just noticed your location is the UK

of course you are utterly and totally wrong - other posters have only provided info on the well known and accepted feast day of a St. Joseph viz the spouse of Mary.I stated that I am trying to bring to memory or remembrance the blatantly ignored or forgotten St.Joseph viz the uncle of Mary without whom there would not only have been no St.Patrick but no Christianity either.Is it not then time we remembered and gave thanks and praise to and for this major saint,especially on his feast day,at the very least,on 17th March worldwide with perhaps Ireland excluded as a special dispensation - in the UK on this day let us rejoice and remember the major role played by the early British Church in the preservation and spread of Christianity against horrendous odds in these our British Isles and the glory of St.Patrick as one of earlier sons. - twinc

 

[twinc]

of course you are utterly and totally wrong - other posters have only provided info on the well known and accepted feast day of a St. Joseph viz the spouse of Mary.I stated that I am trying to bring to memory or remembrance the blatantly ignored or forgotten St.Joseph viz the uncle of Mary without whom there would not only have been no St.Patrick but no Christianity either.Is it not then time we remembered and gave thanks and praise to and for this major saint,especially on his feast day,at the very least,on 17th March worldwide with perhaps Ireland excluded as a special dispensation - in the UK on this day let us rejoice and remember the major role played by the early British Church in the preservation and spread of Christianity against horrendous odds in these our British Isles and the glory of St.Patrick as one of her earlier sons. - twinc

 

[Melchior_1]

of course you are utterly and totally wrong - other posters have only provided info on the well known and accepted feast day of a St. Joseph viz the spouse of Mary.I stated that I am trying to bring to memory or remembrance the blatantly ignored or forgotten St.Joseph viz the uncle of Mary without whom there would not only have been no St.Patrick but no Christianity either.Is it not then time we remembered and gave thanks and praise to and for this major saint,especially on his feast day,at the very least,on 17th March worldwide with perhaps Ireland excluded as a special dispensation - in the UK on this day let us rejoice and remember the major role played by the early British Church in the preservation and spread of Christianity against horrendous odds in these our British Isles and the glory of St.Patrick as one of earlier sons. - twinc

You’re referring to Saint Joseph of Arimathea, correct? It’d help if you referred to the specific Saint, because frankly most people will know “the” Saint Joseph as the fellow who helped raise the Son of Man when He was a child.

newadvent.org/cathen/08520a.htm

The additional details which are found concerning him in the apocryphal “Acta Pilati”, are unworthy of credence.* Likewise fabulous is the legend which tells of his coming to Gaul A.D. 63, and thence to Great Britain, where he is supposed to have founded the earliest Christian oratory at Glastonbury.** Finally, the story of the translation of the body of Joseph of Arimathea from Jerusalem to Moyenmonstre (Diocese of Toul) originated late and is unreliable.*

I don’t mean to cast a pall over the man, nor cast a pall towards any devotion towards him. I simply find this very interesting and would like to learn more about it. Are there any reputable sources which can point towards Tradition stating that Saint Joseph of Arimathea made his way to the UK?