St. Patrick's Day

[Lamafacaja]

My understanding is that green bagels were a tradition given to our ancestors from the Jews at Balleycastle. Correct?

 

[Brickmaker]

**I stated that I am trying to bring to memory or remembrance the blatantly ignored or forgotten St.Joseph viz the uncle of Mary **without whom there would not only have been no St.Patrick but no Christianity either.

You did nothing of the sort. You referred only to ‘St Joseph’ and did not clarify when challenged by posters who not unnaturally thought you were referring to the much more important saint, the spouse of Mary.

And if you can produce evidence, other than legend and myths about Joseph of Arimathea being Mary’s uncle or ever setting foot in the UK, we might give your idea of raising his profile worldwide more attention.

St.Joseph on his feast day of March 17th is well remembered and honoured by the Orthodox Church - twinc

Actually, the Orthodox remember and honor him on July 31 and on the second Sunday after Pascha.

 

[barb_finnegan]

Malleus : Yes . they are. And they earned their stripes as Americans in the Civil War. The Famous Irish Brigade was one of the most Decorated and had some of the highest Casualty rates in the entire War. Yes , we are American and we earned that right in Blood.

Pax

Ah yes- the famous Irish Brigade of Civil War fame. Their mascot was an Irish wolfhound, and their motto was, ‘Gentle when stroked-fierce when provoked’!

There’s a monument to them with an image of the faithful wolfhound at Gettysburg’s Little Round Top. People always leave dog biscuits by the dog’s feet!

 

[Havard]

of course you are utterly and totally wrong - other posters have only provided info on the well known and accepted feast day of a St. Joseph viz the spouse of Mary.I stated that I am trying to bring to memory or remembrance the blatantly ignored or forgotten St.Joseph viz the uncle of Mary without whom there would not only have been no St.Patrick but no Christianity either.Is it not then time we remembered and gave thanks and praise to and for this major saint,especially on his feast day,at the very least,on 17th March worldwide with perhaps Ireland excluded as a special dispensation - in the UK on this day let us rejoice and remember the major role played by the early British Church in the preservation and spread of Christianity against horrendous odds in these our British Isles and the glory of St.Patrick as one of earlier sons. - twinc

First off, the man you refer to is more commonly known in the Catholic Church as “Joseph of Arimathea”, not simply “St. Joseph”, to distinguish him from the St. Joseph that is the husband of the Blessed Virgin Mary.

Secondly, the stuff you are talking about are not teachings of the Catholic Church. This business about him being the uncle of the Blessed Virgin, with the tin trade in Cornwall, and about taking Jesus to England during the ‘lost years’, this is all medieval legend.

“However when historians looked at the evidence, they could find no mention of Joseph of Arimathea until the 13th century. It’s been suggested that the association of Joseph of Arimathea with Glastonbury was a deliberate ploy to add to the status of Glastonbury by associating it with such a prestigious person.” - BBC’s The Passion

 

[twinc]

Melchior - an immense amount of reading and research lies ahead of you and is required to convince one that the circumstantial evidence is overwhelming.You might start by going over to the Glastonbury Abbey website and also delve into Augustine’s special visit to England to discover he had arrived only to realise he had come to convert the converted - the so called British barbarians and pagans -btw stay awhile and discover the jewel in their midst[the sangrael-holy blood-holy Mary]that these same converted, under Caractacus fought to prevent from falling into Roman hands.Years later Linus the son of Caractaus became the second Bishop of Rome.A small booklet “The tapestry and shrine of Our Lady of Glastonbury” is available from St.Mary’s Church and a small paperback from Glastonbury Abbey shop titled "The traditions of Glastonbury"by E.Raymond Capt[Archaeological Institute of America] -ISBN 0-934666-10-5 -more later - twinc

 

[twinc]

You did nothing of the sort. You referred only to ‘St Joseph’ and did not clarify when challenged by posters who not unnaturally thought you were referring to the much more important saint, the spouse of Mary.

And if you can produce evidence, other than legend and myths about Joseph of Arimathea being Mary’s uncle or ever setting foot in the UK, we might give your idea of raising his profile worldwide more attention.

Actually, the Orthodox re

member and honor him on 31 Julyand on the second Sunday after Pascha.

of course you miss the more important point that he is forgotten by the Catholic Church. I mentioned that St.Joseph was forgotten and ignored even on his feast day of 17th March,but it seems,as suspected,most Catholics have forgotten him as if of no consequence or importance and only just about know about the spouse of Mary and of course everyone knows about St.Patrick - btw the myths and legends are not about Joseph of Arimathae but about St.Joseph of Arimathae and they are my no means my idea of raising his profile which should have be in place anyway - btw also “did those feet in ancient times walk on England’s mountains green and was the Holy Lamb of God on England’s pleasant pastures seen” - perhaps a bit more reading and research and the findings and recordings of ancient historians might provide you with enough evidence should you of course first be willing to accept it - twinc

 

[Brickmaker]

of course you miss the more important point that he is forgotten by the Catholic Church. I mentioned that St.Joseph was forgotten and ignored even on his feast day of 17th March,but it seems,as suspected,most Catholics have forgotten him as if of no consequence or importance and only just about know about the spouse of Mary and of course everyone knows about St.Patrick - **btw the myths and legends are not about Joseph of Arimathae but about St.Joseph of Arimathae ** ** Have to admit, you’ve lost me there **and they are my no means my idea of raising his profile which should have be in place anyway - btw also “did those feet in ancient times walk on England’s mountains green and was the Holy Lamb of God on England’s pleasant pastures seen” - perhaps a bit more reading and research and the findings and recordings of ancient historians might provide you with enough evidence should you of course first be willing to accept it - twinc

OK. Enlighten us. Let’s start with the evidence (must be contemporary - medieval legends and folk tales devised to enhance the status of a country/place or the saint himself won’t do) for his being in England? Or the proof of his relationship to Mary? Or the Holy Grail thing? And rather than hijack this thread, why not start a new one?

 

[twinc]

OK. Enlighten us. Let’s start with the evidence (must be contemporary - medieval legends and folk tales devised to enhance the status of a country/place or the saint himself won’t do) for his being in England? Or the proof of his relationship to Mary? Or the Holy Grail thing? And rather than hijack this thread, why not start a new one?

what’s all this must be stuff - enlighten yourself if interested,Follow the instuctions already given - twinc

 

[Brickmaker]

what’s all this must be stuff - enlighten yourself if interested,Follow the instuctions already given - twinc

Well, you’re the one who seems the expert here - and the board is called Catholic Answers. Plus, why bring it up at all if you’re not going to give us the benefit of your expertise.

 

[twinc]

Well, you’re the one who seems the expert here - and the board is called Catholic Answers. Plus, why bring it up at all if you’re not going to give us the benefit of your expertise.

some expert to say the least but probably to some who know very little or nothing about the subject matter - please consult the real experts as suggested - twinc

 

[Brickmaker]

some expert to say the least but probably to some who know very little or nothing about the subject matter - please consult the real experts as suggested - twinc

Is this the Traditions of Glastonbury book you refer to?

If so, our conversation is at an end.

 

[twinc]

Is this the Traditions of Glastonbury book you refer to?

If so, our conversation is at an end.

why not visit the source,instead of trying to analyse,dissect and conclude from nowhere - btw Glastonbury is by right hallowed and holy ground and sanctified for here lies England’s most ancient and holy saints and kings but now under another thirty foot of solid clay because of grave robbers etc.So Glastonbury takes precedence to Canterbury and Westminster - btw why not read the book as suggested instead of selected bits and pieces from one knows not where trying to disprove and dishonour,When all is said and done and no matter who,what,when,it still remains to be answered why is this major saint ignored and forgotten even on his feast day - meanwhile goodbye anyway - twinc

 

[Brickmaker]

why not visit the source,instead of trying to analyse,dissect and conclude from nowhere - btw Glastonbury is by right hallowed and holy ground and sanctified for here lies England’s most ancient and holy saints and kings but now under another thirty foot of solid clay because of grave robbers etc.So Glastonbury takes precedence to Canterbury and Westminster - btw why not read the book as suggested instead of selected bits and pieces from one knows not where trying to disprove and dishonour,When all is said and done and no matter who,what,when,it still remains to be answered why is this major saint ignored and forgotten even on his feast day - meanwhile goodbye anyway - twinc

Sheesh, a simple yes or no would have been sufficient, not another obfuscating rant.

 

[hawkeye]

I don’t think to many Irish Catholics from Ireland are to happy with the Catholic Church this St. Patrick’s day. Considering all the sexual abuse cases coming out of Ireland. I’m also sure that St.Patrick is not to happy with the cover-up as well. It is probably being celebrated in Ireland more as a secular day this year than a feast day. Most likely many Irish are going to the Pubs this day than to Church. Just being a little realistic.

A lot of them aren’t/did anything different, (scandal or otherwise)drink, drink and more drink, people still go-to Mass.

No different than Christmas, just for many a secular celebration to get more beer down your neck.

And not only in Ireland, people who rarely frequent bars, frequent them at Christmas, and Saint Patricks day.

 

[hawkeye]

May the pastoral letter that the Holy Father is sending to the Irish be the beginning of that healing process, and strengthen the Church to continue the mission of St. Patrick.

It won’t matter if the Pope eats dust, his letter won’t be accepted by all, he will never be able to pen a letter to please everyone, some will never be pleased, they can’t be appeased.

" Forgive one another, as I have forgiven you"

 

[hawkeye]

** YES! **

"Apostle of Ireland, born at Kilpatrick, near Dumbarton, in Scotland, in the year 387; died at Saul, Downpatrick, Ireland, 17 March, 493. Some sources say 460 or 461. --Ed.

Well there’s a kick in the teeth, even at primary school, we were told he was Welsh,

 

[hawkeye]

De gustibus non est disputandum.

The corned beef and cabbage my brothers and I were served on St. Patrick’s Day in years past did serve to accentuate the penitential nature of the season.

No disrespect intended to you, the corned beef, or my late, sainted mother who boiled the stuff to death.

Corned beef and cabbage is not an Irish tradition, it’s American.

Cabbage, bacon, and spuds is more like it.

 

[twinc]

Well there’s a kick in the teeth, even at primary school, we were told he was Welsh,

the best cover was that he was British,which of course he was - he was kidnapped close by Glastonbury,where he is buried for his body was returned home for burial which is the custom even to this day.There was another Patrick who is buried at Armagh or Saul according to what I read somewhere - twinc

 

[hawkeye]

the best cover was that he was British,which of course he was - he was kidnapped close by Glastonbury,where he is buried for his body was returned home for burial which is the custom even to this day.There was another Patrick who is buried at Armagh or Saul according to what I read somewhere - twinc

In the North of Ireland where I dwell, we have a place called DownPatrick, the clues in the name, so I gather Saint Patrick was either there, or worked there, as a Shamrock maker.

 

[twinc]

In the North of Ireland where I dwell, we have a place called DownPatrick, the clues in the name, so I gather Saint Patrick was either there, or worked there, as a Shamrock maker.

it seems there were two Patricks around about at the same time,now of course there are many and not all saints. - twinc