St Paul and Tradition

[JRPO]

I once spoke with a person training to be a Priest and our topic of conversation was tradition in the church.I faintly remember him saying that in the bible Saint Paul tells us to stick with your traditions.

Can anyone tell me where it may be written in the bible. I may not have the wording quite right but I’m sure it was something to do with sticking with tradition

 

[Luke65]

Here are a few:

“Now I praise you because you remember me in everything and hold firmly to the traditions, just as I delivered them to you.” (1 Corinthians 11:2)

“So then, brethren, stand firm and hold to the traditions which you were taught, whether by word of mouth or by letter from us.” (2 Thessalonians 2:15)

“Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you keep away from every brother who leads an unruly life and not according to the tradition which you received from us.” (2 Thessalonians 3:6)

And here is a whole lot more on this topic from Scripture and the early Church:

scripturecatholic.com/oral_tradition.html

 

[JRPO]

Here are a few:

“Now I praise you because you remember me in everything and hold firmly to the traditions, just as I delivered them to you.” (1 Corinthians 11:2)

“So then, brethren, stand firm and hold to the traditions which you were taught, whether by word of mouth or by letter from us.” (2 Thessalonians 2:15)

“Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you keep away from every brother who leads an unruly life and not according to the tradition which you received from us.” (2 Thessalonians 3:6)

And here is a whole lot more on this topic from Scripture and the early Church:

scripturecatholic.com/oral_tradition.html

Thank you Luke
I have a bible with me right now called the Good News Bible - Catholic Edition. In all the bible passages that you mention above the word tradition is not printed in that particular bible.
Some these bibles are not worth the paper they are written on.

 

[Ultima_Ratio]

Here are a few:

“So then, brethren, stand firm and hold to the traditions which you were taught, whether by word of mouth or by letter from us.” (2 Thessalonians 2:15)

scripturecatholic.com/oral_tradition.html

It is very interesting to read the entire second chapter of 2 Thessalonians to get the context, which is the great apostasy (today?), and the “strong delusion”, or “operation of error” that God will send so that those “who love not the truth will believe a lie”. It is interesting to consider how those today who “love not the truth” justify themselves based on Vatican II (the strong delusion?).

The antidote given by the apostle for not being led astray by the strong delusion, or the “operation of error”, depending on the translation, is to “hold fast to tradition”.

I personally think Vatican II may indeed be the strong delusion spoke of by St. Paul nearly 2000 years ago. And it is not just the “spirit of Vatican II”, but the council documents themselves, for they lend themselves to being interpreted in a manner contrary to what the Church teaches, even when they don’t explicitly teach what they appear on the surface to teach. Therefore, due to the ambiguous and often misleading manner in which the documents are written, those who love not the truth believe lies.

How many people today, for example, adhere to errors condemned explicitly in the Syllabus of Pius IX because they think Vatican II taught the contrary? Here’s just one of the errors from the Sallabus that many today adhere to:

[It is an error to believe that] “Every man is free to embrace and profess that religion which, guided by the light of reason, he shall consider true” (Syllabus #15).

Thanks for Vatican II, or at least what everyone thinks Vatican II teaches, most Catholics today have accepted that formally condemned error as true.

Hopefully the talks between the SSPX and Rome will result in a “clarification” of some of the Vatican II documents.

 

[Luke65]

Thank you Luke
I have a bible with me right now called the Good News Bible - Catholic Edition. In all the bible passages that you mention above the word tradition is not printed in that particular bible.
Some these bibles are not worth the paper they are written on.

Yes, it’s sad. Some Protestant translations, like NIV, translate the same Greek word as “tradition” when it’s condemned in the Bible, but as “teaching” when we’re told to “hold fast” to them. Of course, the Bible says that it’s the Church that is “the pillar and foundation of the truth”, and so it is the Church that has the charism to discern good traditions from bad traditions. Unfortunately, our Church shepherds don’t protect the flock from deceptions like we see in the GNB, and also the NAB.

 

[Luke65]

It is very interesting to read the entire second chapter of 2 Thessalonians to get the context, which is the great apostasy (today?), and the “strong delusion”, or “operation of error” that God will send so that those “who love not the truth will believe a lie”. It is interesting to consider how those today who “love not the truth” justify themselves based on Vatican II (the strong delusion?).

The antidote given by the apostle for not being led astray by the strong delusion, or the “operation of error”, depending on the translation, is to “hold fast to tradition”.

I personally think Vatican II may indeed be the strong delusion spoke of by St. Paul nearly 2000 years ago. And it is not just the “spirit of Vatican II”, but the council documents themselves, for they lend themselves to being interpreted in a manner contrary to what the Church teaches, even when they don’t explicitly teach what they appear on the surface to teach. Therefore, due to the ambiguous and often misleading manner in which the documents are written, those who love not the truth believe lies.

How many people today, for example, adhere to errors condemned explicitly in the Syllabus of Pius IX because they think Vatican II taught the contrary? Here’s just one of the errors from the Sallabus that many today adhere to:

[It is an error to believe that] “Every man is free to embrace and profess that religion which, guided by the light of reason, he shall consider true” (Syllabus #15).

Thanks for Vatican II, or at least what everyone thinks Vatican II teaches, most Catholics today have accepted that formally condemned error as true.

Hopefully the talks between the SSPX and Rome will result in a “clarification” of some of the Vatican II documents.

Excellent observation. I agree, the VII decrees can be twisted and distorted the same way Scripture constantly is - like Scripture, magisterial decrees must be interpreted in harmony with each other. I don’t know if you’ve read the work of Robert Sungenis on this matter, but he does a masterful job of harmonizing the teachings of VII with other teachings like the Syllabus. To use your example, he points out the difference between a civil right to freedom of religion and a moral right to freedom of religion, which doesn’t exist. If you’re interested, on this page you will find his rebuttals of sedevacantist arguments, along with a wide assortment of articles against Modernism. But I hope you know, St. Paul was prophesying about a whole lot more than just VII. The theory of evolution - the whole evolutionary paradigm - has to be the greatest example; but if Catholics would hold fast to tradition - Special Creation - they wouldn’t be deceived by it. And yes, this is a great apostasy, but the Great Apostasy will come after the Springtime for the Church - the “certain period of peace” that Our Lady of Fatima promised, the “late rain” prophesied in Scripture (e.g. James 5:7) and by our prophets. The best book on Catholic prophecy is Trial, Tribulation and Triumph by Desmond Birch - read that book and you will be comforted to see that God warned us that all of this was coming in the 20th century, but that we will triumph and the true Gospel will be preached throughout the world before the final rebellion. God bless.