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CHRISTINE77
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How could Peter have a mother in law and not have a wife???
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James248
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His wife could have died.
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CHRISTINE77
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yes but he said that St. Peter was not married. He obviously was married at one time.
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Duane1966
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The person you were responding to, said Paul, not Peter. Look at the quote of their’s that you posted.
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Darryl_B
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St Peter had been married, but had also suffered loss. I believe Paul also had been married, but had also suffered loss. I believe this loss, this suffering, was one of the key things which Jesus Christ saw in them both when He chose them each for their specific unique roles within the Church.
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jcrichton
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Hi, Christine!
…in order to fully understand what is going on we must view it from their perspective; when Christ’s Ministry started:
- people were grown men and women
- whole families traveled, when possible, to listen to Christ’s Teaching
- there was a significant change in Jesus’ Teachings and Ministry
- while women were ignored and children rejected by other rabbis, Jesus, the Rabbuni, actually not only tolerated women and children but He sought them and elevated them
- Jesus never marry
- Jesus’ Disciples were both single and married
- St. Peter was married
- St. Paul was single (virgin)
- Believers converted from Judaism and from paganism (Gentiles)
- Believers were single (virgin) and married
- not all couples were converted–some couples, while married or in civil unions, did not convert as a couple (some may have had children or not)
.’ (St. Matthew 19:10-12)
The Call to serve God in such chaste state is something which must be accepted/embraced by the individual who seeks to serve God in such manner!
However, there’s never been a teaching from Christ, the Apostles or the Church that Commands that all Believers must be Celibate!
Maran atha!
Angel
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CHRISTINE77
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I agree with you. Married or celibate people can spread the gospel Jews were always very nomadic anyway, so traveling to spread the good news, whether or not you had a wife and family with you, really didn’t matterl
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PNEUMA
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1 Peter 5:13 “She who is at Babylon who is likewise chosen, sends you greetings; and so does my son Mark”
1 Corinthians 9:5 “Do we not have the right to be accompanied by a wife, as the other apostles and the brethren of the Lord and Cephas?”
John 1:42 “He brought him to Jesus. Jesus looked at him, and said, “So you are Simon the son of John? You shall be called Cephas” which means Peter.”
I have heard that St Peters son wrote the gospel of Mark, while he was in Rome with Rufus the son of Simon the Cyrene, who carried the cross with Jesus
Romans 16:13 “Greet Rufus, eminent in the Lord, also his mother and mine”
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Wesrock
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Post #20 addresses 1 Corinthians 9:5, and certainly Clement of Alaexandria in the second century understood it not to mean “wife” either. But the actual Greek, along with Paul’s undeniable statements as to his own sexual continence, are clear.
Peter’s reference to Mark is traditionally seen as a reference to Mark the Evangelist, true.
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jcrichton
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Hi!
…since you brought it up, I’m starting a thread on the issue of Mark, hope you chime in!
Maran atha!
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mclaughlinm
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Thank you to everyone who replied re Peter being married. I appreciate all your advice on the matter
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JohnR77
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It can be difficult to see why celibacy is good when living in our current culture that worships sex, even if millions of babies have to die. I don’t think my mother ever used the term “sex.” She referred to it as “the act of Holy Matrimony” which was quite instructive in a subtle way. For a good explanation see :
**The Faith of Our Fathers
**by James Gibbons
Chapter XXX.
Celibacy Of The Clergy.
“Jesus Christ manifestly showed His predilection for virginity, not only by always remaining a virgin, but by selecting a Virgin-Mother and a virgin-precursor in the person of St. John the Baptist, and by exhibiting a special effection for John [pg 400] the Evangelist, because, as St. Augustine testifies, that Apostle was chosen a virgin and such he always remained.
Not only did our Lord thus manifest while on earth a marked predilection for virgins, but He exhibits the same preference for them in heaven; for the hundred and forty-four thousand who are chosen to sing the New Canticle and who follow the Lamb whithersoever He goeth are all virgins, as St. John testifies. (Apoc. xiv.)”
For an explanation of why this book is so good see :
‘The Faith of Our Fathers’ Is a Masterpiece
by Shaun McAfee
For those who do not have Rev. Christian Cochini, S.J.’s book I mentioned previously and who want a greater explanation of the historical position of the Church see :
**The Gift: A Married Priest Looks at Celibacy **
by Fr. Ray Ryland
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It can be difficult to see why celibacy is good when living in our current culture that worships sex, even if millions of babies have to die. I don’t think my mother ever used the term “sex.” She referred to it as “the act of Holy Matrimony” which was quite instructive in a subtle way. For a good explanation see :
**The Faith of Our Fathers
**by James Gibbons
Chapter XXX.
Celibacy Of The Clergy.
“Jesus Christ manifestly showed His predilection for virginity, not only by always remaining a virgin, but by selecting a Virgin-Mother and a virgin-precursor in the person of St. John the Baptist, and by exhibiting a special effection for John [pg 400] the Evangelist, because, as St. Augustine testifies, that Apostle was chosen a virgin and such he always remained.
Not only did our Lord thus manifest while on earth a marked predilection for virgins, but He exhibits the same preference for them in heaven; for the hundred and forty-four thousand who are chosen to sing the New Canticle and who follow the Lamb whithersoever He goeth are all virgins, as St. John testifies. (Apoc. xiv.)”
For an explanation of why this book is so good see :
‘The Faith of Our Fathers’ Is a Masterpiece
by Shaun McAfee
For those who do not have Rev. Christian Cochini, S.J.’s book I mentioned previously and who want a greater explanation of the historical position of the Church see :
**The Gift: A Married Priest Looks at Celibacy **
by Fr. Ray Ryland
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Usagi
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I believe there is at least one reference by an early Church historian to a wife of St. Peter’s who was martyred alongside him. That could be the same woman whose mother is mentioned in the Gospel, or a second wife. Her presence could explain Paul’s possible reference to Peter’s having a wife with him during his apostolic ministry.
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Darryl_B
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I am curious about I Corinthians 9:5. Is it saying
- We are allowed to take along a wife, like the other Apostles who do actually take a wife along with them.
- We are allowed to take along a wife, even as the other Apostles are also hypothetically allowed to take a wife along with them, should they have one.
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jcrichton
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Hi, Darryl!
I think it speaks to the actual wives… it would be a mute point to mention Cephas’ wife it she would not have been an actual person.
Maran atha!
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James248
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Nope. Clement of Alexandria mentioned Peter’s wife.
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Darryl_B
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Citation?
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Pilgrim525
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I have read in one of the book of the Mystics that Peter had a wife but the couple was childless. She belonged to the women disciples in the company of Mary, our Blessed Mother.
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Duane1966
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It’s a bad translation. Please read my post #20. If we are going to interpret to translate the passage in Corinthians as wife, we must also do the same in the Gospels of Matthew and Luke, and say Jesus had a wife.
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