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VARC
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Why don’t you let other people debate what points they want to debate without dictating what you will allow them to say?
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mgrfin
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The CE article was 1911. The old code of canon law was 1917.
We are operating under the new Code of 1983.
This is the universal law of the Church. There are no canons oligating the Holy Father to anything.
There is no reference to his removal from office for any cause, including ‘manifest and notorious heresy’.
The Holy Father is above the Code of Canon Law. If y9ou don’t think so, refer the canons to me which obligate to compliance.
And, finally what sins did the Holy Father, this or any other since Pius IX commit ‘manifest and notorius’ heresy.
Please answer carefully.
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mgrfin
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I am not dictating anything to anyone.
I will object to anyone maligning the name of the Roman Pontiff.
You are free to run your own site, which you do don’t you???
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VARC
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What are you talking about?
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VARC
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You’re not merely objecting, you are threatening members who disagree with you because you feel like your faith is being “attacked”.
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SFD
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mgrfin,
See post #183, “Sedevacantism and Pope Pius IX” thread:
I believe you are not really reading any of these posts…that much is certain.
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VARC
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mgrfin doesn’t read anything.
SFD
If a pope who is a manifest heretic loses his office, did Honorius lose his office when writing to patriarch sergius? What qualifies as manifest heresy?
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If a pope who is a manifest heretic loses his office, did Honorius lose his office when writing to patriarch sergius? What qualifies as manifest heresy?
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mgrfin
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My faith is very strong, and I have an excellent education in Theology. One of my problems is that I lack resources to respond properly to posts.
We are dragged around by posters to the “Robert Bellarmine”, even he doesn’t support the theses of these people. They can always find some source to support their theses. St. Robert would turn in his tomb if he knew he was being used to attack the Roman Catholic Church, and the Papacy.
Accusing the Holy Father of ‘notorious heresy’ is going to get the wrong attention, not from me only, but from others.
Many of them come with ‘blog partners’, they deny who they are by lying when asked. They post in groups, attack and try to frustrate legitimate posters.
A name on them is not necessary. Sedevacantists, Feeneyites, Traditionalists, Right Wing Conservatives. They try to be holier than the Church, and set themselves up as pope. All you have to do is listen to what they say, and watch how their arguments proceed.
It is quite an education, and fun for me.
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VARC
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I don’t know SFD or anybody else on this forum. I would like to discuss sedevacantism with him. Is that okay with you? I don’t have a website or an agenda or anything. I’m just an average joe who works hard and wants to discuss religion with others without you threatening me or having my threads shut down. So do you mind?..
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mgrfin
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You can discuss anything you want with anybody. You don’t need my approval. SFD claims he is not a Sedevacantist. “A rose by any other name is…still a rose”
He has an agenda. If he attacks the Papacy, and accuses John XXIII, or Pio Nono, JPII, etc. of notorious heresy, I’m going to be right there in the midst of the scrum.
I read everything. I sometimes choose not to respond.
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VARC
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And by “in the midst of the scrum” you mean that you’ll have him disciplined. How intellectual of you. Right up their with the best of the censors. Nazis, communists, etc.
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VARC
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And by the way you are not nearly as smart as you think you are. The phrase is “A rose by any other name smells just as sweet”
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mgrfin
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Apparently, you never have seen a scrum.
I never said I would have him disciplined. I carry no special authority around here.
The Forum Administrators I am sure watch various threads, and may step in on their own if things get offensive to the Catholic Faith.
Read the rules that we are all are expected to abide by.
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VARC
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You threatened to have someone disciplined because you didn’t like what they posted.
“Just a little more, VARC, and we will ask the Forum Administrator to have you disciplined”
That’s pretty Nazi like.
“Just a little more, VARC, and we will ask the Forum Administrator to have you disciplined”
That’s pretty Nazi like.
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SFD
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mgrfin,
If one was to investigate an the procedings in incident in 1930, for example, what version of the CIC would you use to analyze it?
Do you mean he has the power to change Canon Law…and is therefore above it? I agree.
Is the Roman Pontiff subject to Divine Law? Or is he above that as well?
Can he change Divine Law?
I notice you used manifest and notorious in the same breath…
CE on "Notorious":
St. Robert Bellarmine used the term “manifest”. You can’t possibly think notorious means after he is judged…the pope is judged by no one. No one can judge the First See.
See above.
Is Heresy a sin or a crime?
Oh…thanks for the warning.
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mgrfin,
We are discussing Catholic principles here. You are just doing…well, whatever it is you’re doing. I’m not sure it’s all that definable, to be honest…you’re all over the place. Are you always this emotional?
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VARC
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Yeah Nazi like. If you don’t like what they have to say, you don’t bother to politely refute the point but rather you threaten to snuff em out. Why don’t you stop with your threats and your insults.
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