Stand when Priest enters a room?

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My wife told me that years ago when a Priest entered the room you were in that everyone was supposed to stand and remain standing until he sat down or told the group to sit. I was wondering if that is still the case or not? Note that I’m not talking about Mass. Let’s say you are in your RCIA class, a regular meeting room, and the Priest enters. Would that be a situation where you stood when he entered?
 
When I was in Catholic Grade school we always had to stand when a priest entered the room, but I think that was mostly out of respect (something the Sisters had us do), I don’t know if it is a requirement.

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John
 
It seems to me it’s all gone now, in this age of gratuitous use of first names by bank tellers, sales people, spam callers, etc, but it was traditional to stand when anyone of a higher rank entered a room. In grammar school we were taught to stand when the teacher entered, and remain standing until told or motioned to sit. And of course one (and I am not speaking strictly of children here) never addressed a person of higher rank or, for that matter, any unknown adult, by first name, at least not until given leave by the person to do so.
 
Social mores have changed over the years, and are culturally driven. When I was young (a long time ago), one stood when any adult walked into the room. It is a matter of courtesy, not Canon law.

That applied when they first walked into the room. No one was expected to be a jumping jack; if the person walked out of the room (for whatever purpose) and then walked back in, one seated did not get up again.

Being male, that was the rule; I don’t recall it being applied to women (but no one would have considered them rude if they did stand).

Emily Post died a long time ago. Or rather, there have been a number of women who have been “Emily Post”, and over time conventions have changed.

One still can be polite and stand; one in some circles might be teased a bit for doing so, but politeness is rarely criticized - just neglected.

I happen to reside on the West Coast, and we have historically been somewhat less formal than other parts of the US. Although slightly off topic, in the late 70’s I had the opportunity to observe “pecking order”; I was an arbitrator between Reynolds Aluminum and the United Steel Workers union. Various management personnel came out here from the South (primarily North Carolina) to institute the program here, and I have to say it was truly a cultural shock to watch the behavior of the various Reynolds people, one to another. I had never heard the term “Sir” used that often during my three years in the Army (OK, so it wasn’t the Marines). The words that came to mind at the time were “obsequious”, “suck-up” and variations of the same. It seemed to be so seriously overplayed. We were not rude out here; but they were extremely clear about pecking order there. It was all culturally driven, and clearly we had a different culture here.
 
Interesting question! I can see quite a few priests not wanting such fuss made over them. I can see myself being one of those priests.
 
Social mores have changed over the years, and are culturally driven. When I was young (a long time ago), one stood when any adult walked into the room. It is a matter of courtesy, not Canon law.

That applied when they first walked into the room. No one was expected to be a jumping jack; if the person walked out of the room (for whatever purpose) and then walked back in, one seated did not get up again.

Being male, that was the rule; I don’t recall it being applied to women (but no one would have considered them rude if they did stand).

Emily Post died a long time ago. Or rather, there have been a number of women who have been “Emily Post”, and over time conventions have changed.

One still can be polite and stand; one in some circles might be teased a bit for doing so, but politeness is rarely criticized - just neglected.

I happen to reside on the West Coast, and we have historically been somewhat less formal than other parts of the US. Although slightly off topic, in the late 70’s I had the opportunity to observe “pecking order”; I was an arbitrator between Reynolds Aluminum and the United Steel Workers union. Various management personnel came out here from the South (primarily North Carolina) to institute the program here, and I have to say it was truly a cultural shock to watch the behavior of the various Reynolds people, one to another. I had never heard the term “Sir” used that often during my three years in the Army (OK, so it wasn’t the Marines). The words that came to mind at the time were “obsequious”, “suck-up” and variations of the same. It seemed to be so seriously overplayed. We were not rude out here; but they were extremely clear about pecking order there. It was all culturally driven, and clearly we had a different culture here.
Yes sir. Quite right sir. Thank you sir.
:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

We get a lot of that in the South.
If one more adult calls me “Ma’am” I’m gonna snap. 😊
 
At a Catholic Daughters meeting two weeks ago our young newly ordained parochial vicar came around the corner into the room to see what was going on and was surprised that everyone in the room rose upon his entrance. I guess that he wasn’t used to it! 😃 He then asked that we sit down and apologized for disturbing!
 
Yes sir. Quite right sir. Thank you sir.
:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

We get a lot of that in the South.
If one more adult calls me “Ma’am” I’m gonna snap. 😊
Well, ma’am, we did do this in school, too. Priest, principal, visiting important folks…and we chanted, “Good mooorning, Father So and may God bleeeeessss you!”
 
For those of you who work in an office, even been in a conference room when everyone stands when the client or top level executive walks in? This practice is still very customary in business. But has fallen out of use in our personal lives. People will still stand to shake someone’s hand when it’s a stranger, but usually not when people we know personally walks into the room.

People used treat people they knew personally with ceremony, today we really only do that with strangers, clients and VIPs.

Society is also a lot less formal. We don’t wear tuxedos to restaurants for dinner, we don’t wear suits to sporting events, we don’t wear top hats or suit hats, etc.

Most priests don’t like to be treated any different than any other human being. If you wouldn’t typically stand up when someone you know walks into the room, then they usually don’t want you to do it for them. But if you would stand for anyone, then cool.

Now if you are meeting the priest for the first time and stay seated, well then that’s rude. 🙂
 
Also, back in the day, women (esp rich women) used to go to finishing school, where they would learn these manners and ceremony to pass on to their children, etc.

Today, young women don’t go to finishing school, so a lot of these customs are quickly being replaced.
 
Interesting question! I can see quite a few priests not wanting such fuss made over them. I can see myself being one of those priests.
But the whole point of standing is to reverence not the man but the representative of Christ, the hands which bring His presence into the world concretely, the ears which hear our sins on behalf of Christ, the lips which pronounce not the man’s forgiveness, but God’s.

Regardless of our sloppy customs, our general irreverence and lack of respect, calling our priests by their first names as if they were the paper boy; standing out of reverence for the priest is always a good idea; not because we revere the man, but because we honor and respect the office, the sacred indelible mark on the man’s soul that makes him an alter Christus. In short, we stand to honor our Lord.

So sometimes, a priest will just have to “put up” with his flock honoring his role. It could be a good chance to practice the virtue of humility.
 
But the whole point of standing is to reverence not the man but the representative of Christ, the hands which bring His presence into the world concretely, the ears which hear our sins on behalf of Christ, the lips which pronounce not the man’s forgiveness, but God’s.

Regardless of our sloppy customs, our general irreverence and lack of respect, calling our priests by their first names as if they were the paper boy; standing out of reverence for the priest is always a good idea; not because we revere the man, but because we honor and respect the office, the sacred indelible mark on the man’s soul that makes him an alter Christus. In short, we stand to honor our Lord.

So sometimes, a priest will just have to “put up” with his flock honoring his role. It could be a good chance to practice the virtue of humility.
That’s a good point. I didn’t know that, which begs the next question: do most people doing the standing know it?
 
I have an old copy of Amy Vanderbilt’s Complete Book of Etiquette and it does say that one should rise whenever a superior enters a room you are seated in and you wait till they are seated to re-seat or if they say please sit down. This one is from 1952, so I don’t suppose it counts now. It is the only book on the subject I’ve got around here. Maybe someone could ask Dear Abbey or someone like that. Might prove interesting.

Glenda
 
Also, back in the day, women (esp rich women) used to go to finishing school, where they would learn these manners and ceremony to pass on to their children, etc.

Today, young women don’t go to finishing school, so a lot of these customs are quickly being replaced.
The still do in the South by the way…:rolleyes:
 
It seems to me it’s all gone now, in this age of gratuitous use of first names by bank tellers, sales people, spam callers, etc, but it was traditional to stand when anyone of a higher rank entered a room. In grammar school we were taught to stand when the teacher entered, and remain standing until told or motioned to sit. And of course one (and I am not speaking strictly of children here) never addressed a person of higher rank or, for that matter, any unknown adult, by first name, at least not until given leave by the person to do so.
We did this as well. Obviously, it wouldn’t apply as adults, unless the priest was a much older man.
 
Yes sir. Quite right sir. Thank you sir.
:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

We get a lot of that in the South.
If one more adult calls me “Ma’am” I’m gonna snap. 😊
From my days in the military (I was a Specialist 5 - most clearly not an officer): “Don’t all me Sir! My mother was married when I was born!”.

Leave it to the military to cut through all the formalism everyone hid behind and express what we really thought…
 
Well, ma’am, we did do this in school, too. Priest, principal, visiting important folks…and we chanted, “Good mooorning, Father So and may God bleeeeessss you!”
Yes, I remember those days. Parents would come in, the priest, another teacher, etc. And we always dragged out the “morning”. This was not so very long ago, in California in the 1970s and 1980s. By high school (graduated in 1987), the custom seemed to have died out.
 
I’ve not seen this in my city in Northern Illinois with priests, pastors, or any “superior” or even the bishop, at least in social settings. I’ll admit that I’ve never been involved in any kind of “business” meeting with our bishop.

I’ve not seen this in the private prep school that my children attended, and I have not seen it in the traditional Catholic school (Latin Mass, very traditional manners in classroom settings, etc.) where I volunteer. In fact, I’ve not seen it in any school, public or private, where I volunteer.

I’ve never seen this in the hospital where I have worked for 24 years; no one stands when the Chief of Staff walks in, or any other important visitor to a meeting, even representatives from any level of government.

The only time I’ve seen people rise is in court, when the JUDGE walks in, and even then, the bailiff yells out, “ALL RISE!” so that no one can miss it.

I’m not sure we want people to think of our priests as “judges.”

I also think that many priests would be uncomfortable being labeled “superior”. Yes, Christ in them is superior, but when they are just walking into a room, they aren’t in personae Christae in the same way that they are while consecrating Eucharist.

I think this well-meaning practice could undermine belief in the True Presence of Jesus in the Blessed Sacrament during Holy Communion. It would be easy for those who are of a doubting spirit to get the idea that we are merely reverencing the priest, not Jesus.

Sometimes an action should be done conservatively, rather than frequently, or it loses its significance and becomes commonplace and ordinary and the meaning is lost.

An example of this is kissing between a married couple. If they kiss every time they meet in the house, every time they part from each other (even in their own house!), etc.–well, I can see why this could make the act of kissing just a pleasant little habit rather than a meaningful gesture of love.

Also, I think that it’s very rare nowadays to find any group of people just sitting and waiting. Even in classrooms, children and teens are often engaged in various activities around the room (e.g., cleaning the classroom aquarium, picking out a book from the selection in the “Library Activity Center”, etc.), and in adult groups, there is often a small group standing around drinking coffee and chatting, and another small group fiddling with the DVD machine, etc., and it seems that it would be awkward to expect everyone to “snap to attention” and stand when someone “superior” walks in. I think half the people in the room would miss the priest’s entrance, and then they would feel very awkward when everyone suddenly got silent, and they would turn around and ask, “Hey what’s going on…oooooh. Sorry Father, I was pouring my coffee! Duh.” I think people would feel embarrassed, both the people who were standing and the poor dude who was pouring his coffee. :o

Also, I think the gesture depends on the size and make-up of the group. What I think could be awkward about this is if a few people stand and all the others remain seated, not knowing about the convention that apparently used to be standard practice, but now has gone the way of obscurity in modern U.S. culture. Do the standers hiss out the corner of their mouths, “Hey, you’re supposed to stand up when a priest walks in!” Or do they just stand by themselves, while everyone wonders what they’re standing for?

If the group is small, and all the people are pretty similar in age, purpose for being in the group (e.g., a choir, the parish council, etc.), then I can see everyone standing, but it should be discussed in advance so that EVERYONE knows what is going on and what is expected of them so that no one feels foolish or gauche.

One more consideration–it would be a kindness to avoid standing for the sake of those who have a hard time popping out of their seats and getting to a standing position. I’ve seen situations where the designated leader of a group (e.g., a Bible study) will stand up and greet the priest with a handshake when he comes in, and I think this is a very respectful and practical way to greet the priest.
 
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