Standing During Consecration at Funerals

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Our parish kneels from the Sanctus to the Great Amen and again after the Agnus Dei until receiving Communion. However, our pastor asks us to remain standing during both these parts during funeral Masses because he does not want to cause confusion with the many fallen away Catholics and Protestants in the pews. The GIRM allows standing during the consecration for “a reasonable cause”, however, is the pastor correctly interpreting this clause? It hurts my heart to stand during the consecration. Thank you!
 
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Yes, your Pastor is correct.

I believe that in most places, other than the US, standing is actually the norm.
 
catarinadesiena said:
he does not want to cause confusion with the many fallen away Catholics and Protestants in the pews
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I’m not sure how this could cause confusion…

But, this kneeling from the Great Amen to the Agnus Dei is a licit American custom.
The majority of the Catholic Church doesen’t do it
 
Ask the pastor. If the Catholics are in church, they are not “fallen away” and the Protestants are guests. Though he may be in the right, the reason given is somewhat flawed…
 
Our Priest tells people when to stand sit or kneel if they wish.
'The only confusion we get at funerals is the Procession in. The choir usually indicates to the congregation to stand up.
 
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catarinadesiena:
he does not want to cause confusion with the many fallen away Catholics and Protestants in the pews
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I’m not sure how this could cause confusion…

But, this kneeling from the Great Amen to the Agnus Dei is a licit American custom.
The majority of the Catholic Church doesen’t do it
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That’s interesting. I can’t imagine not kneeling for the Consecration. We certainly do in the UK, and I’ve always knelt in Spain, Belgium, Australia and New Zealand…

Are you sure there is no kneeling for the Consecrarion in the majority of the Catholic world?.
 
From what I’ve read, there is a special dispensation in the United States to kneel starting at the Sanctus. We kneel for the entire Eucharistic Prayer, however, most nations only kneel for the actual consecration.

Would it be obstinate or rebellious for me to kneel at these funeral Masses?
 
catarinadesiena said:
From what I’ve read, there is a special dispensation in the United States to kneel starting at the Sanctus. We kneel for the entire Eucharistic Prayer, however, most nations only kneel for the actual consecration.
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She says it better than me haha
 
catarinadesiena said:
From what I’ve read, there is a special dispensation in the United States to kneel starting at the Sanctus. We kneel for the entire Eucharistic Prayer, however, most nations only kneel for the actual consecration.
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Where did you read this information? I am intrigued.

I wonder if any other posters can report on their experience of whether there was kneeling for the Consecration or not when they were travelling.
 
never heard of this. I did go to a mass IN Hawaii where everyone remained standing after communion. But we all still knelt for the Amen, Sanctus, consecration, ect.
 
  1. Universal Law. The General Instruction on the Roman Missal #43 establishes as the universal norm of the Roman Rite the practice of kneeling for the Consecration. This is understood to mean from the Epiclesis (the prayer calling for the sending down of the Holy Spirit) to the Mysterium Fidei (The Mystery of Faith).
  2. American Particular Law. The U.S. Bishops adapted the universal norm with Roman approval, retaining the practice of kneeling from after the Sanctus (Holy, Holy, Holy) to the Doxology (Through Him, with Him, in Him), in other words for the entire Eucharistic Prayer. Thus, while in Italy and many other places they stand until the Consecration, at which time they kneel down for the Consecration, in the US we have knelt for th
 
We kneel Sanctus until Lords Prayer. Then stand for Lords Prayer and sign of Peace, then kneel Agnus Dei until time to go up for Communion. Then kneel after taking Communion until the Priest sits, or starts the blessing. If we can kneel, of course.

In Australia.

Is that what you do

Mass is not about rebellion.
 
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is the pastor correctly interpreting this clause?
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I dare say yes. I’ve been to mass in a catholic rite of an old religious order where no one knelled. It caused me some confusion at the start, but eventually you learn to kneel with your heart whilst standing up. If you’re in a country where the majority isn’t catholic the option is probably more discreet for a funeral mass in that it avoids confusion. (Those of other religious confessions would be left wondering if they should kneel, and if they didn’t others might take offense. So the more peaceful solution is probably not to kneel in that specific context.)
 
Of course Mass is not about rebellion, nor did I imply that was my intention. I simply want to be faithful to the Magisterium regardless of the questionable interpretations poorly formed clergy.
 
Wow!
And we wonder why we have a priest shortage.
I would hate to be second-guessed on every little thing I did, especially by people who who really have no clue, but want to continue to question my formation.

So very sad.
 
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From what I’ve read, there is a special dispensation in the United States to kneel starting at the Sanctus. We kneel for the entire Eucharistic Prayer, however, most nations only kneel for the actual consecration.
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Where did you read this information? I am intrigued.

I wonder if any other posters can report on their experience of whether there was kneeling for the Consecration or not when they were travelling.
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Well, the universal GIRM, the one without any adaptations, calls for kneeling only for the Consecration. I’ve been in some parishes that don’t kneel until after the epiclesis and many that kneel right after the Sanctus and in both cases they stand at the Myterium Fidei.

Canadian GIRM retained the kneeling only at the Consecration while allowing that it is laudable to keep kneeling throughout the EP and after the Agnus Dei. In my parish we kneel for all of the EP and remain standing after the Agnus Dei.
 
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Are you implying that we can just take for granted the proper formation of priests in our modern times?
 
Claiming clergy are poorly informed and they interpret the rubrics and how they interpret is questionable

Is an extremely uncharitable poorly founded statement. You made a sweeping generalisation of what happens in other countries. That, my friend, is poorly informed.

Have you been at, or celebrated ore Mass then the Pope himself?
 
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Are you implying we cannot, and are you implying we the laity are all so well formed, itis our right to denigrate the clergy.

If you are, what is your factual solid backing.
 
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