Star Trek Beyond - Farewell to a Franchise

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didymus said:
Oh, goody! CBS is launching a new Trek, ST: Discovery. Since the Discovery’s number is NCC-1031 it’s obviously after ST: Enterprise but before TOS.

I usually watch shows online but I think CBS has a paywall so I’ll have to watch a show when it’s on at the scheduled time for once. :mad:
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It’s airing on CBS’s online service, not CBS. It will be the first of many shows they’re moving to this model as they transition away from regular TV. You have to pay to watch it.

Also while 1031 means it should be set pre TOS, There’s no guarantee of that.
 
Interesting YouTube video with all the Enterprises, starting with the HMS Enterprise in 1774 closely followed by the USS Enterprise and of course ending with all the ST incarnations. But it is cool to see all the 19th and 20th century ships that have borne the name.
 
Padres1969 said:
It’s airing on CBS’s online service, not CBS. It will be the first of many shows they’re moving to this model as they transition away from regular TV. You have to pay to watch it.

Also while 1031 means it should be set pre TOS, There’s no guarantee of that.
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It’s not airing on regular CBS??
 
tomarin said:
It’s not airing on regular CBS??
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Nope. Just the premier episode is on CBS. The rest are airing on CBS’s new streaming service. They’re innaugurating their move away from dying traditional TV.
 
Padres1969 said:
It’s airing on CBS’s online service, not CBS. It will be the first of many shows they’re moving to this model as they transition away from regular TV. You have to pay to watch it.

Also while 1031 means it should be set pre TOS, There’s no guarantee of that.
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Not necessarily. I think the “1031” means it may be commissioned, built, or even just planned before Enterprise NCC-1701 (one book I read posited — non-canonically — that NCC stood for “Naval Construction Contract”).

USS Constellation, a Constitution-class ship and a contemporary of Enterprise (“The Doomsday Machine”) was NCC-1017.
 
John_Lazarus said:
Not necessarily. I think the “1031” means it may be commissioned, built, or even just planned before Enterprise NCC-1701 (one book I read posited — non-canonically — that NCC stood for “Naval Construction Contract”).

USS Constellation, a Constitution-class ship and a contemporary of Enterprise (“The Doomsday Machine”) was NCC-1017.
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True Constellation was a bit of an outlier. But that was also because her filming model was a store bought Enterprise model that the production staff then burned with a lighter to get the “battle damage effects” on her. And her registry was created by simply re-arranging the 1 7 0 1 water decals that had come with the Enterprise model. Why they didn’t go with 1710 I’ll never understand.
 
MLMartin97 said:
True … but notice how few of your examples come from TNG, especially early TNG. Gene Roddenberry wanted a post-religious humanity, but it’s hard to prove a negative, and when he’s more constrained (TOS) or no longer present (all other series), it starts slipping back in.
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One of the things I liked about Babylon 5 was the acknowledgement that religion was still around in the future. The creator was raised Catholic, even though he is now an atheist, but didn’t try to ram it down anyone’s throat.

Tom A.
Belief in the supernatural is the most natural thing in the world - G.K. Chesterton
 
meteoric said:
One of the things I liked about Babylon 5 was the acknowledgement that religion was still around in the future. The creator was raised Catholic, even though he is now an atheist, but didn’t try to ram it down anyone’s throat.

Tom A.
Belief in the supernatural is the most natural thing in the world - G.K. Chesterton
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True Babylon 5 kept religion more at the forefront.

The Episode “The Rock Cried Out No Hiding Place” in particular featured a Catholic Monk Priest, an Evangelical Pastor, a Rabbi as Muslim imam and Buddhist monk as well as I recall. All were involved in risking life and limb to deliver covert messages for those resisting the authoritarian and abusive government that had risen on Earth during the 2nd and 3rd seasons of the show. Brother Theo, the Catholic monk was a regularly reoccurring character. The climax of the episode featured an interfaith worship service. Just a warning the service is intercut with a particularly evil character receiving his reward for his misdeeds which could be considered a tad graphic.

youtube.com/watch?v=QhMwUeVawng

The last produced piece from their universe to date, “The Lost Tales” set in 2271 also featured a Catholic priest called to Babylon 5 to perform an exorcism.

youtube.com/watch?v=bvv4oKLIN0k

But do keep in mind Babylon 5, which was an outstanding show in its own right, portrays a much more “imperfect” vision of the future than Classic Star Trek attempted to portray. One where humans have expanded into the galaxy, and have done ok for ourselves, but one where we’re still often obsessed with greed, self interest, and all the other things that plague us today. Sadly it’s probably a more accurate vision of the future.
 
Well, I saw Star Trek Beyond last night and have to say the “Gay scene” was a tempest in a tea cup. With no explanation, it could have been Sulu meeting his brother-in-law and neice (or daughter, because we know from ST6 iirc that Sulu had one). Without the out-of-story information, it would not even have registered.

I’m reminded of two other similar fictional events – years after reading Diamonds are Forever I was amazed to learn the two assassins who had shadowed Bond the entire book were supposedly gay. Obviously, I wasn’t looking hard enough. And much more recently, Dumbledore gives absolutely no indication that he’s supposedly gay; only the authors out of the book comments tell us this. Which tells me either it wasn’t pre-planned*, or it wasn’t part of the story.

Tom A.
  • Foreshadowing - your clue to great literature. Unlike the other method, making it up as you go along. – Bloom County
 
Padres1969 said:
Nope. Just the premier episode is on CBS. The rest are airing on CBS’s new streaming service. They’re innaugurating their move away from dying traditional TV.
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The showrunner of Star Trek Discovery provided some details about the show to the press recently and mentioned that since the show will be available through the aforementioned streaming service it would be free to ‘push the envelope’ in terms of content. So I guess it will be more edgy than what we’ve seen in other Star Trek series.

I saw Star Trek Beyond over the weekend and while it wasn’t terrible (the plot seemed less convoluted than what I’ve seen of the previous one) it wasn’t a life-changing experience either. Just two hours of action-oriented distraction. Not sure I bought McCoy’s piloting of an alien spacecraft. After all: he’s a doctor, not a pilot.
 
tomarin said:
The showrunner of Star Trek Discovery provided some details about the show to the press recently and mentioned that since the show will be available through the aforementioned streaming service it would be free to ‘push the envelope’ in terms of content. So I guess it will be more edgy than what we’ve seen in other Star Trek series.

I saw Star Trek Beyond over the weekend and while it wasn’t terrible (the plot seemed less convoluted than what I’ve seen of the previous one) it wasn’t a life-changing experience either. Just two hours of action-oriented distraction. Not sure I bought McCoy’s piloting of an alien spacecraft. After all: he’s a doctor, not a pilot.
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Yeah plenty of details were released by Bryan Fuller about Star Trek Discovery yesterday.

Spoilers

-The show will have a female lead character who will only be a Lt. Commander, not the captain. She will likely be a non-white character as well.
-Discovery will be set approximately 10 years before Kirk set out on the Enterprise’s 5 year mission (incidentally approximately around the time of the in universe time of the first TOS pilot “The Cage” which took place in 2254.) Which means that running into some familiar ships including the Enterprise NCC-1701 (which was launched in universe in 2245) is quite possible.
-Discovery will feature many more aliens than previous series, both new and familiar races (a makeup test show was shown that clearly was of an Andorian a few days ago).
-The show will feature a 13 episode arc that will cover a major Federation historical event referenced in TOS that lead to better “brotherhood” between the species of the Federation. Some have speculated this alludes to a heretofore unseen Klingon War and possibly the Battle of Axanar (this would also explain why CBS has been coming down so hard on the fan film Star Trek Axanar as it takes place in this same era).
-An appearance by Spock’s mother, Amanda Grayson, has been hinted as a possibility
-There will be robots, no further elaboration was given.
-Some old characters from the TOS era may make appearances at later dates, but the first season will focus on the new crew.
-The show will not feature the Romulan War (it’s about 85 years too late for that in universe) and will not feature Section 31 (at least not as a focus which torpedoes the NCC-1031/Section 31 connection.). It will not feature the original Kobiyashi Maru scenario the test is based on.
-The show will feature around 7 leads. One of whom is likely to be gay (Fuller credits the hate male he received when he was a writer on DS9 for this).
-It will be a little more edgy than the previous series given it’s online broadcast. In Fuller’s words, they want to explore if it’s appropriate when the bridge is blowing up to have someone say, "oh $#!+!
-The show’s first scenes will be on neither Earth nor any other planet.
-More information and likely a trailer will be forthcoming in approximately October.

tvline.com/2016/08/10/star-trek-discovery-amanda-grayson-spoilers-cast/
polygon.com/tv/2016/8/11/12433320/bryan-fuller-star-trek-tcas

 
Padres1969 said:
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-The show will feature around 7 leads. One of whom is likely to be gay (Fuller credits the hate male he received when he was a writer on DS9 for this).
-It will be a little more edgy than the previous series given it’s online broadcast. In Fuller’s words, they want to explore if it’s appropriate when the bridge is blowing up to have someone say, "oh $#!+!

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I feel better now about the decision by CBS to charge to watch it (with commercials). I was going to have to weigh skipping it anyway. So now I with a program that costs extra just to watch, still have commercials and a deliberate attempt to poke at people of morals, I think I have an easy decision. Back to re-runs of Voyager, which by the way, are airing on some Comcast channel called H and I.
 
This new news was completely expected by me, but then they lost me as a fan quite a while ago.

I’ll just stick to watching my TOS dvds. 🙂
 
amsjj said:
This new news was completely expected by me, but then they lost me as a fan quite a while ago.

I’ll just stick to watching my TOS dvds. 🙂
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Back when I was in Art School we had a name for people who jumped on politically correct bandwagons - we called them “trendoids”. It wasn’t intended as a term of endearment.

I hate that Star Trek and other good shows are being overtaken by trendoids. 😦
 
It’s weird that people here are upset about Star Trek being PC. Star Trek was PC before PC was even a thing. All the way back in the 60’s. And Star Trek always was full of liberal ideas. Especially if you take into account the context of the time it was made.
 
Rhubarb said:
It’s weird that people here are upset about Star Trek being PC. Star Trek was PC before PC was even a thing. All the way back in the 60’s. And Star Trek always was full of liberal ideas. Especially if you take into account the context of the time it was made.
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I don’t really see Star Trek too much through political or social lenses as liberal or conservative. This blog though has looked at several episodes of Star Trek TOS and on each review has a section, “Why it’s conservative”.
 
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