Star Trek Beyond - Farewell to a Franchise

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KevinAK said:
I was under the impression that it was only the cast of the reboot.

Hillary doesn’t exactly live up to the optimism of Star Trek either.
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Although I disagreed with his economics, and felt there was a snobol’s chance on a modern computer to get his ideas enacted if he was by some strange set of cercumstances elected, I loved Bernie Sander’s optimism and hope for a better tomorrow.

Trump talks of the current state of affairs as if we’re in a post-apocalyptic world; While I don’t think Clinton is the devil incarnate as some people seem, I think she’s just a run-of-the-mill politician who will basically keep the status quo. Oh well.

Back to Trek. Although they never got into how the government was actually set up, there were some people who argued that the Utopian Federation of Trek was the same distopian dictatorship Federation of Blake’s Seven. Blake’s crew see it from the bottom; the Enterprise crew (especially the officers) see it from the point of view of members of the party in good standing. 🙂

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Crusaderbear said:
I just want to know how Kirk goes from cadet to captain in one mission! It’s become a huge video game now, no real tale of the future anymore.
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I agree. It may also be symptomatic of this cultural moment, that we have lost the ability to imagine a future that is different from the present. Apparently William Gibson sets his novels in the present now, because now is ‘the future’ as far as he is concerned.
 
Finally watched Star Trek, the Motion Picture. Sadly CAF doesn’t have a puking emoji.
 
didymus said:
Finally watched Star Trek, the Motion Picture. Sadly CAF doesn’t have a puking emoji.
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If ‘Star Trek: The Motion Picture’ was aspiring to be ‘2001: A Space Odyssey’, then ‘Star Trek V: the Final Frontier’ was aiming for ‘the Rocky Horror Picture Show’ (but without songs).
 
didymus said:
Finally watched Star Trek, the Motion Picture. Sadly CAF doesn’t have a puking emoji.
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Yeah it was Robert Wise trying to channel Stanley Kubrick inside the Star Trek Universe. And it nearly killed Star Trek. Star Trek II on the other hand at about half the budget came back and nailed it and ensured Star Trek would survive.
 
MeTV:

**Why did the Redshirts always die on ‘Star Trek’? It had to do with doing laundry
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Everyone has come to admire the bright and exciting uniforms from classic Star Trek. But why did the cast members wearing red become so expendable in the show’s three-year run?The story starts with designer William Ware Theiss, who designed all of the amazing aliens and crew for the original series. The uniforms were first made from what was then a brand new fabric: velour. The velvet-like stuff was shiny and available in ultra-bright colors.
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The red tops were made in mass because they looked so darn striking on screen, but there must have been a Klingon in the laundry room. After the first weeks of shooting, the velour tops began to shrink with each washing.
So a fast decision was made to change the shrinking fabric. Since the velour was causing so much grief, they had to do something with all those extra shirts. Waste was not going to happen on such a tight budget.
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It became clear that they had to use the older shirts on stunt players who were to be killed off in each episode. That way, if the shirts were destroyed, it would not be an issue. Because, hey, they were on the way out anyway.
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Interesting if true.
 
I keep hearing this claim (it is made in the Encyclopedia and the novels), but I can’t find any canon reference to Kirk being the youngest starship captain, even at the time.

If anything, the only canon reference to a youngest captain was Captain Tryla Scott of the USS Renegade.
 
porthos11 said:
I keep hearing this claim (it is made in the Encyclopedia and the novels), but I can’t find any canon reference to Kirk being the youngest starship captain, even at the time.

If anything, the only canon reference to a youngest captain was Captain Tryla Scott of the USS Renegade.
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It makes sense though, doesn’t it, as Shatner looks to be in his mid-thirties while filming the role. That does seem a bit young to have such an elevated rank, no?
 
tomarin said:
It makes sense though, doesn’t it, as Shatner looks to be in his mid-thirties while filming the role. That does seem a bit young to have such an elevated rank, no?
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He was young, there is no question. The second season establishes him as 34.

That is not evidence that he was the young-EST. Just young.

Canonically, the only “youngest” or “fastest” starship captain was Tryla Scott.
 
tomarin said:
It makes sense though, doesn’t it, as Shatner looks to be in his mid-thirties while filming the role. That does seem a bit young to have such an elevated rank, no?
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FTR, Shatner was born on March 22, 1931, and so he was 35 during Trek’s first season.
 
But Kirk went to Sarfleet Academy and would have graduated with a commission as ensign. Assuming Star Trek is using the equivalent of US Navy ranks ensign is the lowest officer rank (o-1) = Army 2nd Lieutenant. Captain is o-6 = Army full Colonel.

So your great-grandfather going from private to colonel is quite an accomplishment. Kirk going from the Academy to Captain in ~15 years is probably not that exceptional.
 
Another problem is that some officers are in the chain of command while others are not. For instance my sister was an Army nurse as a captain, if she had risen to higher ranks she would have become responsible for, say. the nursing dept. at a hospital but never command of an Army base. The same would go for other dept. heads.
Likewise I assume that a Science officer per se would not be in the chain of command but they cover that because Spock is 2nd Officer and Tuvok is head of Secuity.
There is a line in TNG somewhere another character asks Work how it feels to put on the red shirt, i.e., having a command rank once he is made tactical officer.

As for everybody being a captain, they just had to it because they were using the same actors who obviously couldn’t stay ensigns or lieutenants for years.
 
But, but . . . there’s still money to be made!!
Actually I’m glad they kept going because I love Star Trek IV the Voyage Home. I think it’s the best, maybe because it’s the most lighthearted.
 
I’m sure the writing is good on this but I’ve not been able to get past the low production values.
 
didymus said:
But, but . . . there’s still money to be made!!
Actually I’m glad they kept going because I love Star Trek IV the Voyage Home. I think it’s the best, maybe because it’s the most lighthearted.
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That’s Hollywood. They’ll put out Pirates of the Caribbean 15 if Johnny Depp is still up for it and Ringo Starr is willing to playing a role. Superheroes are big now, but the moment a few tank, they’ll just go on to The Next Big Thing.

Bye, Star Trek.

Ed
 
I’m resigned to the era of superheroes going on forever (we don’t have to go to see the movies however, but I admit I do as I saw Doctor Strange a few weeks ago and enjoyed it) but I do regret the fact that it seems while among children superheroes are as popular as ever, few seem inclined to read an actual comic book about said superheroes. I am forever buying hardbound reprints of the source materials of these movies for my kids to read, with the classic artwork and so on, but they don’t seem to find them interesting. Perhaps it’s easier just to watch the blockbuster movie franchise or television show. As I’m sure you will agree it’s a very different and more enriching experience reading about the ongoing adventures of your favorite superhero as opposed to watching a short film about them. The universe created by the comic is much richer and larger because of the nature of the art form and the lack of time constraints.
 
Ironic given that Doctor Who is now the flagship series of the BBC (along with possibly Top Gear).
 
I’ve seen a few. He’s pretty good.

I would be in favor of keeping one actor for as long a period as possible, as they did in the classic era of the show. It takes time to get used to a new doctor. (Not that I think you necessarily meant by ‘shaking up and down’ replacing Capaldi.)
 
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