Star Trek Beyond - Farewell to a Franchise

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As a friend of mine once said, “I’m a Trekker, not a Trekkie.” And that was in the 1970s.

Mr. Abrams is not a good storyteller. The same for Justin Lin in this case. I watched the trailer for Beyond and it’s a mish-mash.

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As a friend of mine once said, “I’m a Trekker, not a Trekkie.” And that was in the 1970s.

Mr. Abrams is not a good storyteller. The same for Justin Lin in this case. I watched the trailer for Beyond and it’s a mish-mash.

Ed
As I understand it the trailer, particularly the first trailer, does not do the movie justice. Even Lin and particularly the script writer Simon Pegg, yes Scott wrote the script, were not pleased with that first trailer at all as it misrepresented the film. I’d reserve judgement until you see the film. I mean the trailer for Independence Day 2 looked like it would be a good fun movie, and it was absolutely awful. Trailers are typically a bad way to judge a movie.
 
As I understand it the trailer, particularly the first trailer, does not do the movie justice. Even Lin and particularly the script writer Simon Pegg, yes Scott wrote the script, were not pleased with that first trailer at all as it misrepresented the film. I’d reserve judgement until you see the film. I mean the trailer for Independence Day 2 looked like it would be a good fun movie, and it was absolutely awful. Trailers are typically a bad way to judge a movie.
Well, there’s more than one trailer and I’ll stick to that.

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I think the idea of boycotting is passe and overused. I am not going because of one useless and subtle change. It was inserted without need. It serves to numb us to abuse that is homosexual couples acting in the role of mother and father.Pope Francis has made it clear that this is not acceptable, as has 2000 years of Catholic teaching, and all of human history. However, boycotts are counterproductive. Any organized boycott will inevitable result in a counter movement, resulting in publicity and increased sales. I prefer simply to vote with my dollar, in a small way. Star Trek is just hard to leave.
 
Well, there’s more than one trailer and I’ll stick to that.

Ed
Well I’ll let you know how it is next week. IMy wife snagged tickets to the IMAX world premier and red carpet in San Diego.
 
Warning: this review has profanity

This appears to be what is shown in the film:

"While Sulu’s partner (played by co-writer Jung) has no dialogue, he’s seen three times with the couple’s daughter in the populous Federation starbase Yorktown, upping the stakes for Sulu when that idyllic, multicultural future-world comes under threat. "

hollywoodreporter.com/review/star-trek-beyond-film-review-911141

If there is no dialogue, it sounds like there are three glimpsing or short type shots with the child with the partner of Sulu? Is the child still Demora Sulu, in an alternative timeline so she’s younger? That article says her Mother is Susan Ling. Where’s the Mother of the child in Star Trek: Beyond (if there is any at all, because I don’t know what technology has been developed in this Star Trek presentation of the future?). Presumably it’s never discussed?
 
Bah, TOS is overrated and only held in high esteem because it was the original. DS9 is the true standard bearer.
Really?
I recently watched Star Trek the Next Generation and Star Trek Voyager. I’ve just got started on DS9 and I don’t see how it’s the true standard bearer.
I haven’t watched any of the Star Trek reboot movies. Some of the fanfic shows on YouTube are pretty good.
 
Really?
I recently watched Star Trek the Next Generation and Star Trek Voyager. I’ve just got started on DS9 and I don’t see how it’s the true standard bearer.
I haven’t watched any of the Star Trek reboot movies. Some of the fanfic shows on YouTube are pretty good.
You answered your own question. DS9 takes about 2 seasons to really get going. There were some good episodes in 1 and 2, but by season 3 they hit their stride. They go for broke starting in Season 4 and don’t really let up the rest of the way.
 
Being an 80’s child, I grew up on TNG, and enjoyed the new stuff as well as admired the old. I really like the new movies, they are visually stunning, and although they dont quite deliver the indepth storylines of the characters as the original series, I find a peace and motivation in them,and inspiration. I was a Fire Cadet in highschool, I miss that comradeship and feeling that the future has yet to unfold, so many possibilities. Watching the new movies brings back that feeling. If hes gay, there are gay people all around us, its who we become that shapes us. So dont be gay… love your self, be the best version of your self, give kindness, watch your fave trekkie stuff, live long and prosper.

BTW went through RCIA with a gay guy, we dont condemn gay folks, just homosexual activities. Hes working on resisting urges, and refraining from following that lifestyle, as it says to do in the catechism. Go Friend!!! I admire his strength.
 
I saw Beyond this evening. Sulu’s partner is in the movie for something like 10 seconds. It’s almost literally “blink and you’ll miss it”. And really, in this very brief scene with them, there’s nothing (in my opinion) to definitively indicate they’re same-sex romantic partners … if not for the pre-release publicity, I think you could easily think they were just very good friends.

As for the movie itself, I enjoyed it. There’s some great interaction between Bones and Spock, something we didn’t get enough of with the first two reboot films. Scotty also has some good material (I would have hoped so, since the script was co-written by Simon Pegg, who plays Scotty) and I liked the alien Jaylah who helps our intrepid crew. Although if you didn’t like the supercharged action in the first two reboot movies, be warned, this one has more of the same.
 
I saw Beyond this evening. Sulu’s partner is in the movie for something like 10 seconds. It’s almost literally “blink and you’ll miss it”. And really, in this very brief scene with them, there’s nothing (in my opinion) to definitively indicate they’re same-sex romantic partners … if not for the pre-release publicity, I think you could easily think they were just very good friends.

As for the movie itself, I enjoyed it. There’s some great interaction between Bones and Spock, something we didn’t get enough of with the first two reboot films. Scotty also has some good material (I would have hoped so, since the script was co-written by Simon Pegg, who plays Scotty) and I liked the alien Jaylah who helps our intrepid crew. Although if you didn’t like the supercharged action in the first two reboot movies, be warned, this one has more of the same.
I agree. I think 10 seconds is generous. More like 3.
 
You answered your own question. DS9 takes about 2 seasons to really get going. There were some good episodes in 1 and 2, but by season 3 they hit their stride. They go for broke starting in Season 4 and don’t really let up the rest of the way.
Definitely. Bit slow for the first couple seasons but overall it is the best Trek series hands down.
 
There’s been homosexual kisses in Star Trek before - DS9 had at least one. Two, if I recall.
 
Well the next chapter in the Star Trek Franchise was unveiled at Comic Con in San Diego this weekend.

Spoilers

I give you the USS Discovery (NCC-1031) and Star Trek: Discovery

youtube.com/watch?v=bqm9HSYbf0o

Details are light so far except that the ship herself is based off very old pre-production images of the Enterprise. And they’ve confirmed that this show is set in the “Prime Universe” that TOS, TNG, DS9 and VOY took place in, not the “Kelvin Universe (aka JJverse)” of the most recent movies. Where in the timeline it takes place is not known, but we can extrapolate from the registry number NCC-1031 that it likely takes place a few decades before TOS but long after Star Trek: Enterprise
 
Well the next chapter in the Star Trek Franchise was unveiled at Comic Con in San Diego this weekend.

Spoilers

I give you the USS Discovery (NCC-1031) and Star Trek: Discovery

youtube.com/watch?v=bqm9HSYbf0o

https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-medi...ogressive,q_80,w_800/pxlgbcgyh0jtovru3joy.gif

Details are light so far except that the ship herself is based off very old pre-production images of the Enterprise. And they’ve confirmed that this show is set in the “Prime Universe” that TOS, TNG, DS9 and VOY took place in, not the “Kelvin Universe (aka JJverse)” of the most recent movies. Where in the timeline it takes place is not known, but we can extrapolate from the registry number NCC-1031 that it likely takes place a few decades before TOS but long after Star Trek: Enterprise
 
There’s been homosexual kisses in Star Trek before - DS9 had at least one. Two, if I recall.
There has never been one, unless I’m wrong, between an actual homosexual couple. There may have been a homosexual kiss in the mirror universe and there was the one between Denara Khan and Jadzia Dax. On the face of it, that was a homosexual kiss, but as I similarly explained before to somebody else, that was kind of complicated because was Denara after Jadzia or after aspect of the former male host that Denara had previously some kind of relationship with and the symbiont in Jadzia previously having been in that male host?
 
There has never been one, unless I’m wrong, between an actual homosexual couple. There may have been a homosexual kiss in the mirror universe and there was the one between Denara Khan and Jadzia Dax. On the face of it, that was a homosexual kiss, but as I similarly explained before to somebody else, that was kind of complicated because was Denara after Jadzia or after aspect of the former male host that Denara had previously some kind of relationship with and the symbiont in Jadzia previously having been in that male host?
Depends if you consider Mirror Ezri and Mirror Kira a couple. They certainly had a relationship prior to the episode in question, but when the episode arrived, it seemed that Ezri had had enough of the abuse.

Mirror Kira also kissed regular Kira, but that was out of narcissism and not out of a relationship.
 
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