starting a new church...

[joe370]

2 questions for any non-Catholics: hypothetically speaking, would it be OK for me to start a church, using sola scriptura (scripture alone) - as my final authority, to teach?

Would my hypothetical church be considered the church founded by Jesus Christ?

 

[4Squarebaby]

As long as you don’t go on to say that only the member Church planted by Joe are believers then the answers are yes and yes. You will have your place in reaching people that other more established churches do not reach. We compliment each other, hopefully we do not compete with each other.

 

[joe370]

As long as you don’t go on to say that only the member Church planted by Joe are believers then the answers are yes and yes. You will have your place in reaching people that other more established churches do not reach. We compliment each other, hopefully we do not compete with each other.

I am not aware of any churches that claim that their church alone is comprised of believers. If one belongs to a Christian church, one is a believer in Christ.

Why will I have a place in reaching people that other more established churches do not reach, and what if I am reaching these people with something that conflicts with other established churches, such as the Lutheran church or the Pentecostal church?

Why would you consider my hypothetical church founded in the 21st century, the church founded by Jesus Christ in the 1st century?

 

[schaick]

2 questions for any non-Catholics: hypothetically speaking, would it be OK for me to start a church, using sola scriptura (scripture alone) - as my final authority, to teach?

Would my hypothetical church be considered the church founded by Jesus Christ?

Yes.

It would be more attractive to me if I knew that you had studied Greek and Hebrew and could translate the Holy Bible from it’s original language.

Which Scriptures? The Cathoic Church uses Apocrypha to boister some of their doctrines.

If you were teaching salvation as in the Gospel of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John, then yes.

 

[dnu]

Nope, sola scriptura is not found in the New Testament itself. Therefore, you would be founding yet another man-made faith community whose foundation is a man-made lie.

 

[PJM]

=joe370;6294173]2 questions for any non-Catholics: hypothetically speaking, would it be OK for me to start a church, using sola scriptura (scripture alone) - as my final authority, to teach?

Would my hypothetical church be considered the church founded by Jesus Christ?

hypothetically speaking,

Why would you want to?

Are the thousands of choices made before you insufficient?

Do you know somehing, know more than the THOUSANDS of folks who have started there own churches?

If SS is the ONLY reason there are many existing churches to choose from. Or is that you don’t agree with there understanding of the inspired? word of god?

But, YEA! you can! But I’m not yet clear on why you’d want too?

 

[T_More]

Yes.

It would be more attractive to me if I knew that you had studied Greek and Hebrew and could translate the Holy Bible from it’s original language.

Which Scriptures? The Cathoic Church uses Apocrypha to boister some of their doctrines.

If you were teaching salvation as in the Gospel of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John, then yes.

Schaick, did you know that the NT makes a refernce to the Apocrypha? Do you know why those books were removed and the history behind the LXX? Did you know that they were included in the first edition of the KJV?

Joe, another great question. My answer is, no. By whose authority can I do something like starting my own church? How do we discern who has the authority? Did Calvin, Luther, Ellen White, Joseph Smith, Charles Taze Russell, or the many others since the apsotles?

How about this; can I remove books from the bible or ignore portions of the bible because I don’t like them?

 

[joe370]

Schaick, did you know that the NT makes a refernce to the Apocrypha? Do you know why those books were removed and the history behind the LXX? Did you know that they were included in the first edition of the KJV?

Joe, another great question. My answer is, no. By whose authority can I do something like starting my own church? How do we discern who has the authority? Did Calvin, Luther, Ellen White, Joseph Smith, Charles Taze Russell, or the many others since the apsotles?

How about this; can I remove books from the bible or ignore portions of the bible because I don’t like them?

T More, you seem to be moving in the same direction that I was moving, as a former Lutheran. I hope someone honestly answers your questions as well.

 

[joe370]

hypothetically speaking,

Why would you want to?

Are the thousands of choices made before you insufficient?

Do you know somehing, know more than the THOUSANDS of folks who have started there own churches?

If SS is the ONLY reason there are many existing churches to choose from. Or is that you don’t agree with there understanding of the inspired? word of god?

But, YEA! you can! But I’m not yet clear on why you’d want too?

All excellent reasons why one should not start another church.

 

[joe370]

Nope, sola scriptura is not found in the New Testament itself. Therefore, you would be founding yet another man-made faith community whose foundation is a man-made lie.

Agreed.

 

[joe370]

schaick;6294319]Yes.

It would be more attractive to me if I knew that you had studied Greek and Hebrew and could translate the Holy Bible from it’s original language.

So, if I had studied Greek and Hebrew and could translate the Holy Bible from it’s original language, then you would consider my 21st century church the church of Matthew 16?

If you were teaching salvation as in the Gospel of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John, then yes.

If I was teaching salvation as in the Gospel of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John, then I could consider my 21st century church the church founded by Jesus Christ?

 

[schaick]

Not sure what you are saying here: I am not aware of any churches that claim that their church alone is comprised of believers

Now are these Oneness Pentecostals? They do not teach belief in the Trinity.

“Why will I have a place in reaching people that other more established churches do not reach”

Maybe the building is closer to their home, the members are friendlier, maybe they have a great Bible Study, they connect with the Pastor, better church hours, Saturday services, evening hours, etc. Air-conditioning in the sanctuary!!! LOL!

There are all kinds of reasons one might choose one church building over another. I know of Catholics that don’t go to their own parish but another because of the Priest.

Are there any Catholic Churches in Saudi Arabia? There are underground Christians in Saudi Arabia, China, etc. they are members of the body of Christ.

Are you asking: Does a church have to be have a line of Apostolic succession to be the “Church”?

 

[Prodigal_Son1]

Not sure what you are saying here: I am not aware of any churches that claim that their church alone is comprised of believers

Now are these Oneness Pentecostals? They do not teach belief in the Trinity.

“Why will I have a place in reaching people that other more established churches do not reach”

Maybe the building is closer to their home, the members are friendlier, maybe they have a great Bible Study, they connect with the Pastor, better church hours, Saturday services, evening hours, etc. Air-conditioning in the sanctuary!!! LOL!

There are all kinds of reasons one might choose one church building over another. I know of Catholics that don’t go to their own parish but another because of the Priest.

Are there any Catholic Churches in Saudi Arabia? There are underground Christians in Saudi Arabia, China, etc. they are members of the body of Christ.

Are you asking: Does a church have to be have a line of Apostolic succession to be the “Church”?

How does one go about being ordained, as per scriptures?

 

[joe370]

Not sure what you are saying here: I am not aware of any churches that claim that their church alone is comprised of believers

Now are these Oneness Pentecostals? They do not teach belief in the Trinity.

I did not know that.

“Why will I have a place in reaching people that other more established churches do not reach”

Maybe the building is closer to their home, the members are friendlier, maybe they have a great Bible Study, they connect with the Pastor, better church hours, Saturday services, evening hours, etc. Air-conditioning in the sanctuary!!! LOL!

Fair enough!

There are all kinds of reasons one might choose one church building over another. I know of Catholics that don’t go to their own parish but another because of the Priest.

i am guilty of doing just that. I drive a little further to attend the CC.

Are there any Catholic Churches in Saudi Arabia? There are underground Christians in Saudi Arabia, China, etc. they are members of the body of Christ.

Agreed! The catechism of the CC agrees too:

818 "However, one cannot charge with the sin of the separation those who at present are born into these communities [that resulted from such separation] and in them are brought up in the faith of Christ, and the Catholic Church accepts them with respect and affection as brothers . . . . All who have been justified by faith in Baptism are incorporated into Christ; they therefore have a right to be called Christians, and with good reason are accepted as brothers in the Lord by the children of the Catholic Church."272

Are you asking: Does a church have to be have a line of Apostolic succession to be the “Church”?

Nope! I am asking: If I start a church, can I claim that that church is the church of Matthew 16, founded by Jesus Christ, on Pentecost, in Jerusalem,circa AD 33?

 

[schaick]

“Nope! I am asking: If I start a church, can I claim that that church is the church of Matthew 16, founded by Jesus Christ, on Pentecost, in Jerusalem,circa AD 33?”

Well considering that whether the institution that is the Catholic Church says so or not we all are a member of that Church. Those of us who believe in the Father, Son and Holy Spirit as the triune GOD- all the basic tenets of the Christian faith and have been baptized into the body of Christ.

YES! We have the **communique from the chief cornerstone ** by way of the first apostles, disciples.

The question about ordination-“How does one go about being ordained, as per scriptures?” It is in the Scripture look how the disciples were “ordained”?

No matter how a leader is chosen or trained is there a danger of false teachings and teachers entering the Church.

Just look at the history of the Church all the denominations], even with *“officially ordained” *Priests, Pastors and Ministers-no matter HOW ordination is done evil finds a way in.

It is important that all members of the Church be well versed in Scripture and able to interprete Scripture to help fend off the evil and false.

 

[Prodigal_Son1]

“Nope! I am asking: If I start a church, can I claim that that church is the church of Matthew 16, founded by Jesus Christ, on Pentecost, in Jerusalem,circa AD 33?”

Well considering that whether the institution that is the Catholic Church says so or not we all are a member of that Church. Those of us who believe in the Father, Son and Holy Spirit as the triune GOD- all the basic tenets of the Christian faith and have been baptized into the body of Christ.

YES! We have the **communique from the chief cornerstone ** by way of the first apostles, disciples.

The question about ordination-“How does one go about being ordained, as per scriptures?” It is in the Scripture look how the disciples were “ordained”?

No matter how a leader is chosen or trained is there a danger of false teachings and teachers entering the Church.

Just look at the history of the Church all the denominations], even with *“officially ordained” *Priests, Pastors and Ministers-no matter HOW ordination is done evil finds a way in.

It is important that all members of the Church be well versed in Scripture and able to interprete Scripture to help fend off the evil and false.

And then what happens if they all don’t agree on an interpretation? Which direction do we go from there?

 

[SteveVH]

“Nope! I am asking: If I start a church, can I claim that that church is the church of Matthew 16, founded by Jesus Christ, on Pentecost, in Jerusalem,circa AD 33?”

Well considering that whether the institution that is the Catholic Church says so or not we all are a member of that Church. Those of us who believe in the Father, Son and Holy Spirit as the triune GOD- all the basic tenets of the Christian faith and have been baptized into the body of Christ.

YES! We have the **communique from the chief cornerstone ** by way of the first apostles, disciples.

The CC accepts other Christian denominations as brothers and sisters in Chirst and believes that they have truth, even if it isn’t the fulness of truth found in the CC.

The question about ordination-“How does one go about being ordained, as per scriptures?” It is in the Scripture look how the disciples were “ordained”?

That would be by the laying on of hands by a bishop who had previously been ordained.

No matter how a leader is chosen or trained is there a danger of false teachings and teachers entering the Church.

Which is exactly why Christ sent the Holy Spirit to guide the Church and to protect it from error. Implicit in your statement is the absolute necessity of an infallible interpreter if God intended for His children to have the Truth.

Just look at the history of the Church all the denominations], even with *“officially ordained” *Priests, Pastors and Ministers-no matter HOW ordination is done evil finds a way in.

It is important that all members of the Church be well versed in Scripture and able to interprete Scripture to help fend off the evil and false.

It is great to be well versed in scripture, but God’s truth is not a product of many people’s opinions. It is revealed to us. The job of the Church is to protect and defend the deposit of faith given to us by Christ and the Apostles.

 

[Annie_B]

2 questions for any non-Catholics: hypothetically speaking, would it be OK for me to start a church, using sola scriptura (scripture alone) - as my final authority, to teach?

Would my hypothetical church be considered the church founded by Jesus Christ?

Of course you can start a church - if that is what you feel truly called by God to do. As far as whether or not your church would be considered to be founded by Christ, then I guess that depends on who you ask

Annie

 

[SteveVH]

Of course you can start a church - if that is what you feel truly called by God to do. As far as whether or not your church would be considered to be founded by Christ, then I guess that depends on who you ask

Annie

Just like Joseph Smith. :newidea:

 

[Annie_B]

Just like Joseph Smith. :newidea:

You bet
Annie