State-Mandated Mourning for Aborted Fetuses

[RPRPsych]

jeannetherese;13902491:

then this is the answer to my question? The difference between miscarriage and abortion? Miscarriage is naturally spontaneous and abortion is man-made?

Actually, yes. But this is confused by the fact that medical professionals prefer to speak of spontaneous and induced abortion, and avoid the term miscarriage. They also use the terms threatened abortion (for when there are signs that a miscarriage is impending) and missed abortion (when an early pregnancy loss occurs but the foetus is not yet expelled, and the death is diagnosed by a sonogram )

 

[ComplineSanFran]

jeannetherese;13902491:

then this is the answer to my question? The difference between miscarriage and abortion? Miscarriage is naturally spontaneous and abortion is man-made?

Yes and no. Spontaneous abortions can be either natural or ‘man-made.’ The woman can do something unintentionally or ‘accidentally on purpose’ to cause the pregnancy to end. Or someone else can do something to her body to cause a spontaneous abortion. Like hitting her, or pushing her, or putting her in harm’s way.

Those early months are precarious. I remember reading that most fertilized eggs don’t implant but once they do, the chances of it aborting are still high until well into the second trimester.

 

[petra22]

petra22;13902917:

Those early months are precarious. I remember reading that most fertilized eggs don’t implant but once they do, the chances of it aborting are still high until well into the second trimester.

I did not know that!

 

[Peter_J]

This is what the state’s legislature decided back in March. It passed a wide-ranging bill, making it a criminal offense to dispose of fetal remains in any other way besides burial or cremation, including in cases of abortions, miscarriages, and stillbirths.

Know I’m just waiting for the Trump-Matthews interview and there’s got to be some penalty for any women who improperly disposes of fetal remains etc. Ten years? Ten cents?

 

[ComplineSanFran]

Know I’m just waiting for the Trump-Matthews interview and there’s got to be some penalty for any women who improperly disposes of fetal remains etc. Ten years? Ten cents?

How many women use the toilet when having a miscarriage? How would you penalize her?

 

[Little_Sheep]

I agree with you completely. But how could you separate them out, realistically? And if some states are going to go this far, legally, we must look at the countries where both miscarriages and abortions are illegal and women are being imprisoned.

This is such disgusting nonsense that I have a difficult time wrapping my head around it. I thought Roe v. Wade assured us privacy in our most personal hours. Instead, strangers can’t stop themselves from trying to control our most personal processes. Truly unbelievable.

But, hey, it’s an election year, so this type of garbage is bound to slither its way onto the stage.

 

[Little_Sheep]

It makes me wonder what happens to miscarried babies in the hospital. I had a miscarriage in the ER, never even knew I was pregnant (I was breastfeeding and my cycle was all over the place), and I often wonder what happened to that baby?

Maybe those little ones were/are being sold or used without permission.

I am sorry to hear of your miscarriage.

In the medical field, what is expelled in such a situation is called POC (products of conception). They are disposed like all other medical waste.

 

[ComplineSanFran]

This is such disgusting nonsense that I have a difficult time wrapping my head around it. I thought Roe v. Wade assured us privacy in our most personal hours. Instead, strangers can’t stop themselves from trying to control our most personal processes. Truly unbelievable.

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I’m hearing this rhetoric from two very different sides - the first from people who say we have to stop abortion no matter what it takes. Punish the women, basically. (Did it come from Trump first? I don’t know.) But use Central and South American countries where women are imprisoned as an example.

The second side is from pro-choice people who say, 'If you are going to change the laws to give embryos and fetuses legal (personhood) rights, you have to understand the consequences of that, which is charging women for a crime every time one has a miscarriage. Even if it is a change of manslaughter, unintended death, it has to be carried out.

Of course it is all ‘disgusting nonsense,’ and God willing, none of this will ever happen. Well, except in countries where it IS happening.

 

[Alex_H]

We lower flags to half staff when national tragedies happen and to remember people of special importance.

Why not fly flags at half staff every time a baby dies due to abortion? We are aborting future justices, judges, presidents, doctors, teachers, and many other people are dying due to abortion.

 

[petra22]

We lower flags to half staff when national tragedies happen and to remember people of special importance.

Why not fly flags at half staff every time a baby dies due to abortion? We are aborting future justices, judges, presidents, doctors, teachers, and many other people are dying due to abortion.

God is giving us precious gifts and we are throwing them in the trash as fast as we can–then we ask for other gifts that fit our lifestyles better…go figure… God, please forgive us.

 

[estesbob]

I’m hearing this rhetoric from two very different sides - the first from people who say we have to stop abortion no matter what it takes. Punish the women, basically. (Did it come from Trump first? I don’t know.) But use Central and South American countries where women are imprisoned as an example.

The second side is from pro-choice people who say, 'If you are going to change the laws to give embryos and fetuses legal (personhood) rights, you have to understand the consequences of that, which is charging women for a crime every time one has a miscarriage. Even if it is a change of manslaughter, unintended death, it has to be carried out.

Of course it is all ‘disgusting nonsense,’ and God willing, none of this will ever happen. Well, except in countries where it IS happening.

We don’t have to worry about unintended consequences-we already know the consequences of having abortion illegal in this country would be. After all it was already illegal in overwhelming majority of states for most of our country’s history . And no, women didn’t go to jail, weren’t questioned over miscarriages, didn’t have to register their pregnancies with the government, in fact women weren’t punished at all . However in there desire to keep this barbaric act legal its supporters come up with all sorts of wild scenarios as what the effect would be if abortion was on once again illegal .

 

[estesbob]

We lower flags to half staff when national tragedies happen and to remember people of special importance.

Why not fly flags at half staff every time a baby dies due to abortion? We are aborting future justices, judges, presidents, doctors, teachers, and many other people are dying due to abortion.

Do we lower flies a half staff every time someone dies ? Please let’s not trivialize the horror of 1 million children killed a year with the full support of our government and a large percentage of our population

 

[adamhovey1988]

My mother (who has the reason I have my pro-life views) lost three children. We did have a funeral for the first (Methodist preacher did it for us, we were not religiously active at the time, and it was very sweet of him). The second one, I think the state of Iowa took (may have been the third, might not have the order correct) and decided to use for research…without my mother’s permission. The other one, I am not sure what happened to the remains. My oldest sibling (same father, different mother) was aborted. My dad was none too happy about that (not to mention one of my dad’s previous wives had several miscarriages). By the way, why shouldn’t we mourn aborted fetuses? I think we should everyday. Maybe I am misunderstanding. Some of the comments here remind me of the (blasphemous) comment “God is pro-choice” (God is God, stop putting political labels on him)!

 

[LeahTherese]

We don’t have to worry about unintended consequences-we already know the consequences of having abortion illegal in this country would be. After all it was already illegal in overwhelming majority of states for most of our country’s history . And no, women didn’t go to jail, weren’t questioned over miscarriages, didn’t have to register their pregnancies with the government, in fact women weren’t punished at all . However in there desire to keep this barbaric act legal its supporters come up with all sorts of wild scenarios as what the effect would be if abortion was on once again illegal .

I agree (same goes for here in the UK of course, as well). Women were not charged for having miscarriages (of which there were, tragically, owing to less sophisticated medical knowledge, probably more as a percentage than there are today).

The issue is that in the US it would be difficult (a large pro-choice constituency, plus various judicial rulings) to outlaw abortion again right now (even if it can be done, as we hope, in the future). So to kind of get heading in the right direction all sorts of other laws are brought in, which might in effect if not intention criminalise spontaneous abortions (“miscarriages”) as well: this is a difference with the previous, pre-RvW state of the law. And I don’t know if we can trust local prosecutors, etc, to always be particularly judicious in making charging decisions. That I think is the problem, maybe…

 

[Alex_H]

Do we lower flies a half staff every time someone dies ? Please let’s not trivialize the horror of 1 million children killed a year with the full support of our government and a large percentage of our population

I disagree with your argument here. If we lower our flags for national tragedies like the San Bernardino shootings, then shouldn’t we also lower them for the national tragedy that is the widespread infanticide currently plaguing this nation?