State of the liturgy on college campuses?

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I was up at my (not-so) alma mater this weekend, to help the undergraduate brothers of my fraternity clean up and arrange their house, as part of a “work week” that they do before the semester begins.

I decided, partly for convenience, and partly out of curiosity, to attend Mass at the campus chapel. Convenience, because it’s not even half a mile from the fraternity house, and curiosity because… well… I rarely (if ever) went to Mass at college, so I hardly remembered what the liturgy was like there. (The last time I can remember going to Mass was when I sang in the choir, and I remember this because I led the “Lamb of God” and sang an extra “have mercy on us” verse…)

Anyway, I ended up being disappointed. Despite there being a chair for the priest in the sanctuary, he sat in the front row of chairs with the rest of the congregation for the whole Mass (except when standing at the altar). (The place fits a couple hundred people; about 50-75 people attended.) Most of the texts of the Mass had “God’s” in place of “His” (notably the Gloria and the “May the Lord accept this sacrifice…”). There was no Creed (and nothing in its place). There was a specially-composed Collect and Eucharistic Prayer, tied in to the theme of the Mass, which was found in the First Reading and the Gospel (welcoming the stranger)… probably because classes start there in a week and the new students are “strangers” to the campus; but I repeat, the priest (or someone else) invented his own Collect and Eucharistic Prayer. (I would have left if the words of consecration were changed… thankfully, they were not.) The priest shortened the Offertory, blessing both the bread and the wine at the same time (which is something I’ve seen somewhere else, too). The Precious Blood was consecrated in a metal pitcher (as well as the priest’s chalice) and poured into four smaller chalices after the consecration by a layman. The EMHCs (and musicians…) were given the Host before the priest (although they waited to consume it until the priest consumed his). I’m not sure, but I don’t think I saw a single person make a sign of reverence before the Host or Chalice. Some of the remaining Precious Blood was consumed while walking by some of the EMHCs; the priest consumed the remaining Hosts while walking and – though this is admittedly subjective – consumed the remainder of the Precious Blood as though “washing down” the Hosts.

I didn’t receive, not because I doubted the validity, but because I was very uncomfortable there. Part of me says there’s nothing I can do about it, but another part of me is distressed to see the Mass celebrated so contrary to what the Church has clearly expressed.

Those of you on this forum in college, or who attend Masses on a college campus… what is the “state of the liturgy” there? Does the resident priest seem to make it up as he goes along? Are many changes made to make the Mass seem more “community-friendly” or “inviting”? Or is the liturgy generally reverent and proper? I’m just curious. I’d also be interested in knowing if the college is Catholic or not. (My college is not Catholic.)
 
I have heard of a couple schools around here that have less than stellar Masses, although I don’t think the priest has ever sat with the congregation:eek: .

I think mostly this comes from most college kids don’t go on any regular basis, so there isn’t a need for the priest to play by the rule so to speak, although you would think the ones that do go would be the most likely to care about reverence
 
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here’s the link to my son’s Newman Center at U of I in Champaign. It’s incredible and has sported so much ministry as well as vocations to the priesthood.

my other son’s Newman Center at Southern Illinois University is more casual, but still is reverent. They do not have permanent pews but the mass is offered and the rubrics are followed.

My other son attends Northern Illinois University. And their Newman Center is a permanent church/chapel. Christ the Teacher University Parish.We have attended mass there with our son and it is packed with faculty as well as local families who also use the facilities as their home parish. They have lots of outreach ministry and were instrumental in helping the students cope last spring when the shootings took place on campus. As well as offer sacramental prep for families as well as the college students. It is more than just a college facility.

Hopefully, more Newman Centers are funded well and students take advantage of what they offer.
 
It sounds a little like the Catholic Center at my alma mater. Although, there was, in my old parish in Austin, one of the priests would sit in the pews during daily Mass (whenever he was the celebrant). Unfortunately, there are quite a few in the order which devotes itself to North America (as much as I love them) who take excessive liberties with the Mass to the point of making wholesale edits to the texts of the Mass.

Unfortunately, what you describe is something I saw 22 years ago. It made me sick then; it still nauseates me now.
 
Here is what happened to me about 6 months ago at the Oratory that serves Winthrop University in Rock Hill, SC.

First, the priest would only refer to God as “Creator God”, never God the Father and all references to Him being a He are removed to be generic, such as Creator God.

Then, there was the female, dressed in street clothes who grabbed a pine bough, the priest grabbed another, and they both proceeded to dip them in holy water and go throughout the church blessing the people, remembering our baptism.

Then, there is communion. The loaf of bread (think french or italian). The words of consecration are not said properly, although I cannot remember the exact words used, but they are not what I have heard every Sunday for the past 46 years.

It is at this point that I feel that I have totally waisted my time and that going forward to receive would be a farce and that it would be an act of approval for what had just happened.

I say a prayer for the priest, the laymen and myself and ask God for his forgiveness, and leave.

A version of this has occurred 3 times over the 7 years I have lived here. I assume that everyone else has no problem with it, maybe it is just me.

In confession, another priest implied I did not know all the facts around the celebration of mass at the oratory. He did not go into details.

[sign]Heaven convert those liberal post Vatican II priests! :gopray2:[/sign]
 
**There was a specially-composed Collect and Eucharistic Prayer, tied in to the theme of the Mass,… but I repeat, the priest (or someone else) invented his own Collect and Eucharistic Prayer. (I would have left if the words of consecration were changed… thankfully, they were not.) … **

**I have gathered here that there are at least 13 different Eucharistic Prayers approved for use in the USA. Not all are given in the various missalettes in the pews. Are you sure it was not one of them. **

The Precious Blood was consecrated in a metal pitcher (as well as the priest’s chalice) and poured into four smaller chalices after the consecration by a layman.

**If a priest said the standard Words of Consecration, how could you have gotten the impression that a layman was consecrating the wine?

I’m not attacking. I’m trying to understand.**
 
I have gathered here that there are at least 13 different Eucharistic Prayers approved for use in the USA. Not all are given in the various missalettes in the pews. Are you sure it was not one of them.
Yes, I am sure. I own a 1985 English-translation chapel-sized Sacramentary. I’m very familiar with the four “main” E.P.s, pretty familiar with the two E.P.s for reconciliation, and somewhat familiar with the three E.P.s for children. I’ve never heard the 4-in-1 E.P. for “various needs”, but I’ve read it. These were not used.

I do not remember specific details about the E.P. he used, except for a couple: the second half of the E.P. started unlike any E.P. I’ve ever heard (I think it was something like “Creator God, …”) and – here’s the most egregious part, and I can’t believe I left it out of my first post – he did not call Pope Benedict the Pope, but simply the Bishop of Rome. “… with Benedict, the Bishop of Rome, with N., our Bishop, …”

What a slight. NO E.P. I’ve seen, not even those used in Eastern Catholic Churches, call the Pope simply the Bishop of Rome. While both are the correct titles, I feel the title “Bishop of Rome” is used to subtly deny his universal and immediate pastoral authority over the whole Church. There are hundreds of bishops: only one Pope. (I know you know this, I’m just venting now.)
The Precious Blood was consecrated in a metal pitcher (as well as the priest’s chalice) and poured into four smaller chalices after the consecration by a layman.

If a priest said the standard Words of Consecration, how could you have gotten the impression that a layman was consecrating the wine?
Perhaps I wrote that poorly. The clause “by a layman” was supposed to be referring to the pouring of the Precious Blood from a pitcher into four other chalices; the wine was, of course, consecrated by the priest.
 
The parish I go to is a student chapel at the local university. Faculty, staff, students, and local people make up the congregation. It’s a good parish and the priest is great and is sound in his orthodoxy. I get the impression this has not always been the case with past priests, though. I love our church and I think it’s pretty sound and orthodox.

I think of all the places it is possible for abuses to occur, college parishes are probably very succeptible.
 
The parish I go to is a student chapel at the local university. Faculty, staff, students, and local people make up the congregation. It’s a good parish and the priest is great and is sound in his orthodoxy. I get the impression this has not always been the case with past priests, though. I love our church and I think it’s pretty sound and orthodox.
I assume you’re talking about Eastern? They had very nice daily Masses during the summer. I’ve never been on a Sunday or during the school year though.

The parish at the larger university a few miles away, on the other hand, is a mess.
 
Yes I go to Holy Trinity.

I’ve never been to St Mary’s but I hear that often. Why so?
 
Yes I go to Holy Trinity.
Cool, I traveled to World Youth Day with a couple of their kids. Will be starting at EMU next month too 🙂
I’ve never been to St Mary’s but I hear that often. Why so?
The catechesis, liturgy, etc. Pretty much everything that goes on there actually.
 
That’s too bad. I went to UofM and I never once went to St Mary’s when I was there. That was at a time I wasn’t going to church. I don’t even know where that parish is.
 
I go to a very liberal college in a very liberal town in a very liberal state and guess what… our Newman center just happens to be very liberal. The first time I attended Mass there I almost had no idea I was in a Catholic Church. They took an old church building, ripped out all the pews, took down the crucifix, took down anything that would remind you that you were in a Catholic Church, and replaced it all with plastic chairs, no kneelers, and a crucifix so small you have to be within 3 feet to even recognize it. They rearranged the Church so that the altar is right in the middle, the choir is where the altar used to be (which looks terrible because they’re up higher than the rest of us) and the chairs look like they just landed where they decided to go on their own.

Now the Mass…

No one at all genuflects.
Only half the people bless themselves walking in.
About 1 out of every 10 people bows when passing the altar.
Everyone looks like they just rolled out of bed (at 5 in the afternoon).
No one ever kneels. (and even if you wanted to there aren’t any kneelers, they ripped them out)
Everyone in the entire church (including the Priest and Decon) make a giant “ring around the rosie” circle around the altar during the Our Father.
The sign of peace is more like a singles meet and greet.
The Priest’s 30 min homily consists of his opinion on politics/the war/how everyone in the world worships the same God and everyone is going to Heaven even if they reject Christ.

and last but not least,

The Priest wears sandals
(with socks).

Being a more traditional minded Catholic, this put me into total shock. I know that by doing a lot of these things they’re trying to make Mass easier to swallow for the average college student, but I saw these things as downright irreverant. Sufficing to say, my first Mass there was my last.
 
That’s too bad. I went to UofM and I never once went to St Mary’s when I was there. That was at a time I wasn’t going to church. I don’t even know where that parish is.
I went to MSU and St. John’s in E. Lansing was abysmal. Even in my college days where I didn’t know much better, it knew something was pretty wrong with the liturgy.

Myself and my apartment-mates rode our bikes the extra few miles to St. Thomas Aquinas. It was much better.

I have heard that St. John’s is getting better, and I know the new bishop very well. He’ll make sure things are in line with the GIRM and Vatican instructions.
 
I am very proud of the college students who recognized the reality that not all Newman Centers are created equal and opted to attend mass at parish that is faithful to our Catholic tradition.
 
I went to MSU and St. John’s in E. Lansing was abysmal. Even in my college days where I didn’t know much better, it knew something was pretty wrong with the liturgy.

Myself and my apartment-mates rode our bikes the extra few miles to St. Thomas Aquinas. It was much better.

Brendan,
My son is starting at MSU this Fall–just dropped him off this past week. We paid for a semester bus pass for him to go to either Thomas Aquinas parish or the Cathedral. The student parish has no kneelers, a pamphlet showed students in t-shirts administering the precious blood in glass chalices—but the kicker for me was that the parish offers a group called “One Spirit”. It is a spiritual support group for gays and lesbians and is open to all denominations! Now what business does a Catholic student parish have in offering a group specifically for gays and lesbians from all denominations? I inquired and it isn’t even run by parish staff all the time–students lead at times. I want to know why their is a special group dedicated to these students when all students are called to chastity? They should also have a support group for Students who are virgins trying to live the pure life on a secular campus!
 
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