Statement by lawyer of victims of Weinstein

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The victims’ lawyer Gloria Allred expressed her satisfaction that her clients “stood in their truth.”

In doing so she makes a fundamental error, rendering a disservice to her clients. There is only THE truth, not a “their” truth or a “your” truth or a “my” truth, let alone a “Weinstein’s truth.”
 
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I haven’t read the whole speech, but from the small amount quoted I would agree with you. Courts are in the business of establishing ‘the truth’, not just one person’s interpretation of it.
 
I haven’t read the whole speech, but from the small amount quoted I would agree with you. Courts are in the business of establishing ‘the truth’, not just one person’s interpretation of it.
Courts, at least in the US with its adversarial legal.system, are more usually in the business of preferring one side’s ‘truth’ over that of the other.

In Weinatein’s case it will most likely either come down on the side of Weinstein being more.credible or his victims. It is unlikely, for.example,.to find that he partially assaulted his victims or something.

Eta: just saw the news that he has been found guilty.
 
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one side’s ‘truth’ over that of the other.
But the whole concept of truth belonging to one side or another is flawed.

I believe the popular misconception that truth is subjective is one of the most dangerous heresies in the world.
 
@Maximian @LilyM I just checked the whole speech and have to admit that I may have to change my view somewhat. I had assumed that this was what an attorney had said in court in a speech addressing the jury with the aim of securing Weinstein’s conviction. Clearly it would be wrong in court to suggest that both sides are equally entitled to lay claim to the truth. In court, if a complainant says that Weinstein committed offenses A, B, and C, and Weinstein says that he did not commit offenses A, B, and C, then it follows that only one of them can be telling the truth. The attorney was, however, speaking outside court, giving more of an overview of where we are at as a society with regard to women speaking out about sexual offending. She said:
Women will not be silenced. They will speak up. They will have their voice. They will stand up and be subjected to your small army of defense attorneys cross-examining them, attempting to discredit them, humiliate them, shame them, and they will still stand in their truth.
She’s not talking about her clients specifically, and she’s not speaking in the context of a legal process. I have to say, I think the phrase “to stand in one’s truth” is a ghastly abuse of the English language. Furthermore, if you take its meaning absolutely literally then I would agree that it is suggesting that there can be different kinds of truth and that the truth can be different things to different people. In this context, however, I think it’s more likely that it’s a rather poor way of saying “Women will stand up for the truth” or “Women will remain firm in their resolution to maintain what they know to be true” etc.

If you Google the phrase “Stand/stands/standing/stood in my/your/his/her/its/our/their truth”, you will find plenty of results. I have never heard it used in day-to-day speech, but seemingly it is a phrase that people use quite frequently. I guess it is a relatively new idiom with which I am not yet familiar. Heidegger wrote, “we are compelled to let the poetic word stand in its truth, in beauty”, which in the original German is: “Wir sind daran gehalten,
das dichtende Wort in seiner Wahrheit, in der Schönheit, zu lassen.” (Was heißt Denken [Tübingen: Max Niemeyer Verlag, 1954], p. 8.) However, this seems to be a very specific context in which he is suggesting that the poetic word must be allowed to stand in a truth which is its very own and which can be perhaps equated with beauty or is inextricable from beauty. This is obviously very different from the context of a legal situation.
 
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one side’s ‘truth’ over that of the other.
But the whole concept of truth belonging to one side or another is flawed.

I believe the popular misconception that truth is subjective is one of the most dangerous heresies in the world.
The concept of truth belonging to one side of a legal case is indeed flawed, which is why I put it in quote marks.

And is why the word “truth” is never used in terms of a verdict - instead phrases such as “beyond reasonable doubt” or “on the balance of probabilities/preponderance of evidence” are used instead.

This is not to say there is no such thing as objective truth, of course. Simply that the legal system is not an especially useful way of discovering it.
 
She’s not talking about her clients specifically, a
Not in the passage you quote, no. But she was in the passage I quoted. And it is irrelevant to my point if it was said in or out of court.

Her exact words, after naming the three witnesses were “these witnesses told their truth,” and then says “my clients bravely stood in their truth”.

She could have said in “the truth” but in fact she used a possessive which implies tge existence of more than one truth.
 
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Right, I didn’t realize that these were different speeches. In full, Ms. Allred said:
All of my three clients should be considered heroes of the women’s movement and the victims rights movement. These witnesses told their truth under oath, despite what many people felt were unfair attacks on their credibility by Harvey Weinstein’s defense lawyers, who attempted to do anything and everything legally possible to challenge the motives of the witnesses and blame them for what the witnesses testified that the defendant, Harvey Weinstein, did to them. Fortunately, the defense attempts to discredit them were not successful. My clients bravely stood in their truth and refuse to be intimidated, bullied, or shamed into substantially changing their testimony about what the defendant did to them. I’m very proud of them. I very happy that the jury delivered the verdict that was read in court today as to Mimi and as to Jessica, whom I do not represent.
It seems to be a phrase that she uses quite a lot. I honestly suspect that it has less to do with her interpretation of the meaning of truth and more to do with her use of the English language. It seems to be a phrase that a lot of people are using these days. I guess it has connotations of taking ownership of the truth based on personal experience. It’s not a great expression, but I suspect those who use it are not thinking in strictly philosophical terms. Apparently other people have observed this phrase too:


What does it mean to “speak one’s truth” rather than to “speak the truth”?

 
It seems to be a phrase that a lot of people are using these days.
Words shape ideas. A sloppy habit of speech leads to incorrect assumptions.

It’s particularly bad if one of the US’s finest lawyers, whose stock-in-trade is precise language, is unconscious of such an important distinction upon which the very foundation of truth and justice rests.
 
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