Stations of the Cross - help me please

[MTD]

You believe the Church is infallible in her disciplines and that includes the doctrinal portion of any discipline. The practical judgment is not infallible and can be in error for any number of reasons. Are you sure your “choices” all fall under a disagreement with the practical judgment area of the discipline?

Yes, I am. To take girl servers as an example: there’s nothing intrinsically wrong with female servers,* but it’s a highly unwise practice, in my opinion, for several reasons, among which is that it detracts from the focus on an all-male priesthood; in other words, it raises questions in the little girls’ minds. Not only that, but what teenage boys are going to want to serve with girls? And if the boys don’t serve, what aquaintance will they have the priesthood? Finally, though it may not be intrinsically wrong for women to have a public part in the liturgy, it’s quite proper that they don’t, given the subjection imposed on them after the Fall.

*I’ll remind you that before Vatican II, if there was no altarboy available to serve the conventual Mass, it was permitted for a Sister to take his place.

Finally, may I inquire why you asked?

So, by the application of your logic, does that make me a traditionalist or a traditional Catholic?

You’re both traditional and a Traditionalist (whereas I’m only traditional). My point is that just because someone is not a Traditionalist doesn’t mean he isn’t traditional. You have to think of what the term traditional means: following a tradition. *Traditionalist *designates someone who is traditional on a set point: the TLM. So in other words, traditional is general while Traditionalist is specific.

Maria

 

[paramedicgirl]

You’re both traditional and a Traditionalist (whereas I’m only traditional). My point is that just because someone is not a Traditionalist doesn’t mean he isn’t traditional. You have to think of what the term traditional means: following a tradition. *Traditionalist *designates someone who is traditional on a set point: the TLM. So in other words, traditional is general while Traditionalist is specific.

Maria

Forgot my mantilla! The water jug will have to do. http://www.deephousepage.com/smilies/grinno.gif

 

[dessert]

our parishes are having it for the season but it is at night and I work so I can’t go but it is the laity and I think the priest is very busy with all the masses etc. so just start it yourself it might work. God Bless Dessert

 

[gorman64]

Yes, I am. To take girl servers as an example: there’s nothing intrinsically wrong with female servers,* but it’s a highly unwise practice, in my opinion, for several reasons, among which is that it detracts from the focus on an all-male priesthood; in other words, it raises questions in the little girls’ minds. Not only that, but what teenage boys are going to want to serve with girls? And if the boys don’t serve, what aquaintance will they have the priesthood? Finally, though it may not be intrinsically wrong for women to have a public part in the liturgy, it’s quite proper that they don’t, given the subjection imposed on them after the Fall.

*I’ll remind you that before Vatican II, if there was no altarboy available to serve the conventual Mass, it was permitted for a Sister to take his place.

Finally, may I inquire why you asked?

Maria:

Altar girls could possibly be just a really bad practical judgment. I have never mentioned it as a problem in any debate but it always seems to come up as it is an easy one to explain.

Is there any other discipline that you don’t like and think is damaging or bad in some way?

I ask because I often hear of things rejected that truly have doctrinal decisions in them that are in reality being rejected along with the discipline. Since the doctrinal portion of a discipline is free from error…it may not be rejected.

Btw, by reject I also mean just dissent in the case above.

Yours,

Gorman

 

[timjp77]

NO or TLM always seems to be brought up…

Maybe because it would be unheard of for a traditional minded priest to refuse such a request for the reason given.

 

[MTD]

Forgot my mantilla! The water jug will have to do. http://www.deephousepage.com/smilies/grinno.gif

Yeah, I know; I tend to draw distinctions where most people wouldn’t see them. You’re not the first to shake your head in laughter at my nit-picking!

Maria

 

[MTD]

Altar girls could possibly be just a really bad practical judgment. I have never mentioned it as a problem in any debate but it always seems to come up as it is an easy one to explain.

Easy to explain? I didn’t mention it because it was easy but because it’s the discipline I disagree with most (or nearly). Of all the disciplines I disagree with, it’s the one you’d see me last participating in. In other words, you’d never see me serving!

Is there any other discipline that you don’t like and think is damaging or bad in some way?

Of course, but what good would it do to mention them? But since you ask: Communion in the hand, extraordinary ministers, women lectors, standing for Holy Communion, ad populum.

I ask because I often hear of things rejected that truly have doctrinal decisions in them that are in reality being rejected along with the discipline.

Maybe that is the case with other people (particularly Traditionalists?), but not with me. I’m intelligent enough to see the difference between the doctrinal and practical aspect of a discipline.

Maria

 

[TNT]

Back to the Subject:
Here is what may be the largest/Bigger-than-life Stations of the Cross.
Of all places: Groom, Texas
Click each “Next”
http://www.crossministries.net/index.4.jpg
http://www.crossministries.net/index.2.jpg

 

[paramedicgirl]

Back to the Subject:
Here is what may be the largest/Bigger-than-life Stations of the Cross.
Of all places: Groom, Texas
Click each “Next”
http://www.crossministries.net/index.4.jpg
http://www.crossministries.net/index.2.jpg

Of course it would be in TEXAS! Where else would there be enough room for it? http://www.deephousepage.com/smilies/11zwinky.gif

 

[brotherhrolf]

Sorry folks. I served at many a Stations of the Cross as an altar boy before Vatican II which was led by a priest with crucifer and two candles and which was followed by benediction (except of course on Good Friday). Including singing the Stabat Mater in English - By the Cross her station keeping, stood the mournful Mother weeping, close to Jesus to the last.

oremus.org/hymnal/a/a383.html

And, although my cathedral parish has the Good Friday Liturgy at noon, we also have Stations at 3 led by a priest.

Now maybe this is just a south Louisiana thing, but this has been my experience all of my life and I’m 55.

 

[brotherhrolf]

Sorry folks. I served at many a Stations of the Cross as an altar boy before Vatican II which was led by a priest with crucifer and two candles and which was followed by benediction (except of course on Good Friday). Including singing the Stabat Mater in English - By the Cross her station keeping, stood the mournful Mother weeping, close to Jesus to the last.

oremus.org/hymnal/a/a383.html

And, although my cathedral parish has the Good Friday Liturgy at noon, we also have Stations at 3 led by a priest.

Now maybe this is just a south Louisiana thing, but this has been my experience all of my life and I’m 55.

DW has a St. Joseph’s Missal from 1960 (when she was confirmed) and the Stations of the Cross in the Missal is not what we did.

Help me someone. The Staions I attended are not the ones in the Missal. The priest processed with altar boys from one station to the next while the congregation sang the Stabat Mater. There were prayers and meditations. Let us kneel. Let us stand. The priest chanted a prayer to which the congregation responsed “Because by Thy Holy Cross Thou hast redeemed the world”.

 

[CatQuilt]

Sorry folks. I served at many a Stations of the Cross as an altar boy before Vatican II which was led by a priest with crucifer and two candles and which was followed by benediction (except of course on Good Friday). Including singing the Stabat Mater in English - By the Cross her station keeping, stood the mournful Mother weeping, close to Jesus to the last.

oremus.org/hymnal/a/a383.html

And, although my cathedral parish has the Good Friday Liturgy at noon, we also have Stations at 3 led by a priest.

Now maybe this is just a south Louisiana thing, but this has been my experience all of my life and I’m 55.

Yup, in the next town over from us, the church offers a 7 pm Stations of the Cross on Fridays, led by a priest with all of the above (and the priest wears a cassock).

 

[maria_rose]

Sorry folks. I served at many a Stations of the Cross as an altar boy before Vatican II which was led by a priest with crucifer and two candles and which was followed by benediction (except of course on Good Friday). Including singing the Stabat Mater in English - By the Cross her station keeping, stood the mournful Mother weeping, close to Jesus to the last.

oremus.org/hymnal/a/a383.html

And, although my cathedral parish has the Good Friday Liturgy at noon, we also have Stations at 3 led by a priest.

Now maybe this is just a south Louisiana thing, but this has been my experience all of my life and I’m 55.

In my parish the priest leads the station of the cross reverently.
I love my parish even though the mass is NO, but with a traditional touch. All the priest in my parish are very devout and sincere.
Praise God.!
I do miss a TLM at least here and there.

 

[Adonis33]

Back to the Subject:
Here is what may be the largest/Bigger-than-life Stations of the Cross.
Of all places: Groom, Texas
Click each “Next”
http://www.crossministries.net/index.4.jpg
http://www.crossministries.net/index.2.jpg

WOW!!!

 

[OutinChgoburbs]

DW has a St. Joseph’s Missal from 1960 (when she was confirmed) and the Stations of the Cross in the Missal is not what we did.

Help me someone. The Staions I attended are not the ones in the Missal. The priest processed with altar boys from one station to the next while the congregation sang the Stabat Mater. There were prayers and meditations. Let us kneel. Let us stand. The priest chanted a prayer to which the congregation responsed “Because by Thy Holy Cross Thou hast redeemed the world”.

In our parish, the priest leads, with a crucifer and two candle bearers- twice a day on Fridays! At the afternoon session, a class from the school accompanies him, and kneels on the terrazo floor (no pillows, no garden matts, no kneepads) during each of the prayers.

The deacon doesn’t come to these, though.

 

[brotherhrolf]

I didn’t think that I was hallucinating. It wasn’t a private devotion and it was more liturgical than the private rite in the 62 missals.

 

[Caesar]

Sorry folks. I served at many a Stations of the Cross as an altar boy before Vatican II which was led by a priest with crucifer and two candles and which was followed by benediction (except of course on Good Friday). Including singing the Stabat Mater in English - By the Cross her station keeping, stood the mournful Mother weeping, close to Jesus to the last.

oremus.org/hymnal/a/a383.html

And, although my cathedral parish has the Good Friday Liturgy at noon, we also have Stations at 3 led by a priest.

Now maybe this is just a south Louisiana thing, but this has been my experience all of my life and I’m 55.

Interesting.

Last week I went to my parish, the Diocesan Cathedral, for a quick prayer after school and stumbled in on the Stations of the Cross. It was led by a priest- a priest wearing a purple cope (I was shocked that the Cathedral still possessed such a vestment!)- with the Stabat Mater in english, although the text we were using for the prayers was kind of over-simplified and childish.

 

[gorman64]

Maybe that is the case with other people (particularly Traditionalists?), but not with me. I’m intelligent enough to see the difference between the doctrinal and practical aspect of a discipline.

Communion in the Hand less troublesome than altar girls?

Are you sure? Disrespect for the Holy Eucharist makes one (or did ) suspect of heresy.

Canon Law states that treating the Sacred Species with disrespect is an action which makes one suspect of heresy (CIC 2320)

The practice of communion in the hand promotes this disrespect by making it much more likely to occur. Please note the emphasis on promote. I believe this is much more than a bad practical judgment.

 

[MTD]

Communion in the Hand less troublesome than altar girls?

Not quite. Which is why I said “disagree with most (or nearly).” There are three practices I personally find repugnant and never have and never will do/be: Communion in the hand, extraordinary ministers of Holy Communion, and girl servers. I don’t waste my time distinguishing which one I dislike the most since they’re all non-negotiable for me personally.

However, I did think of one thing this morning that never occurred to me before (and which mitigates my statements a little). If it were a Tridentine Mass and I were a Sister of one of those congregations to which it was permitted for a Sister to serve in the absence of an altarboy, I would probably be willing to serve.

Are you sure? Disrespect for the Holy Eucharist makes one (or did ) suspect of heresy.

Communion in the hand is not of itself disrespectful of the Holy Eucharist. It depends on the circumstances.

Canon Law states that treating the Sacred Species with disrespect is an action which makes one suspect of heresy (CIC 2320)

And why? Because it raises the suspicion that the one disrespectful does not really believe in the Real Presence. Otherwise disrespect of itself has nothing to do with heresy.

The practice of communion in the hand promotes this disrespect by making it much more likely to occur. Please note the emphasis on promote.

It promotes a disrespect that makes one suspect of heresy. Hmmm, double doubt there.

I believe this is much more than a bad practical judgment.

I don’t.

It’s very dangerous when the faithful takes it upon themselves to judge the disciplinary actions of the pope to see if there is heresy involved in the discipline in order that they might determine the validity of the pope. The popes would never get anywhere.

Sorry folks. I served at many a Stations of the Cross as an altar boy before Vatican II which was led by a priest with crucifer and two candles and which was followed by benediction (except of course on Good Friday). Including singing the Stabat Mater in English - By the Cross her station keeping, stood the mournful Mother weeping, close to Jesus to the last.

The Stations of the Cross are done the same way (minus Benediction) twice on Friday at my parish.

Maria

 

[Ham1]

Sorry folks. I served at many a Stations of the Cross as an altar boy before Vatican II which was led by a priest with crucifer and two candles and which was followed by benediction (except of course on Good Friday). Including singing the Stabat Mater in English - By the Cross her station keeping, stood the mournful Mother weeping, close to Jesus to the last.

oremus.org/hymnal/a/a383.html

And, although my cathedral parish has the Good Friday Liturgy at noon, we also have Stations at 3 led by a priest.

Now maybe this is just a south Louisiana thing, but this has been my experience all of my life and I’m 55.

This is exactly the way our parish celebrates the stations every Friday in Lent. Led by a priest wearing a beautiful purple cope. Except, it’s followed by Mass and then benediction. We use this text:

catholicculture.org/lit/overviews/seasons/lent/stations.cfm

Just to put this in perspective, our parish celebrates only the NO in english, is growing very quickly, and has several seminarians with more on the way.