Stay Catholic or change religions?

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People on here claim that if you are truly Catholic you will follow ALL the teachings of the Church. So if someone just disagrees with just ONE SINGLE thing, that is in the Canon Law or presented to us in the Catechism or by the CC, then they are not Catholic? I mean just by human nature, all people will disagree with something at one point.
 
Tantum_ergo said:
Matt, back in my “embracing” days I took communion at Protestant churches too. In fact, I came “that” close to registering at a Protestant Church as a member (while, of course, going to Sunday Mass too) because I was sure it would be perfectly fine and we were all ‘one’ anyway.

Now, I regret that I took that communion. . .not because I think ‘less’ of the people in that church (who are all still my friends!) but because in doing so I actually, in thinking I was being all ‘unity-minded’, was tearing Christianity down by acting and speaking as though it was something it is not. Christianity is not “truth A for this group” and a totally opposite ‘truth B for this other group’. It isn’t a question of “I understand the teaching to be X and you understand it as not-X but it doesn’t really matter provided we all are looking for God in ‘our own way’”. And by taking that communion, as a known Catholic, I was saying falsely, “this is acceptable to me, this is as valid to me as Catholic communion, this is the SAME.” And it isn’t. And in claiming it is we are keeping people from the truth, Matt. Instead of leading them to truth, we’re driving them away!!!
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I think CMatt already know pretty much what the Church teaches.

I just want to know where he stands on the flesh and blood of our Lord in the Eucharist. In his own opinion.
 
Tantum_ergo said:
Matt, back in my “embracing” days I took communion at Protestant churches too. In fact, I came “that” close to registering at a Protestant Church as a member (while, of course, going to Sunday Mass too) because I was sure it would be perfectly fine and we were all ‘one’ anyway.
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I went through a phase like that too. I particularly remember one Sunday when I received Holy Communion in three different denominations on the same Sunday, and I sincerely thought I was some kind of real hero, breaking boundaries, and all that. :rolleyes:

I was not a Catholic at the time, but it was still a really stupid thing to do, and even though my motives were good, all it did was undermine my witness as a Christian - nobody took me seriously because as far as they could tell, I was just blowing around in the winds of fashion, with no convictions of my own.

The hard lesson from that was, pick something, and stick with it. Don’t wander from pillar to post with the appearance of being in a daze.
 
laneo said:
People on here claim that if you are truly Catholic you will follow ALL the teachings of the Church. So if someone just disagrees with just ONE SINGLE thing, that is in the Canon Law or presented to us in the Catechism or by the CC, then they are not Catholic? I mean just by human nature, all people will disagree with something at one point.
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OK. I’ll ask you. Do you believe the Eucharist is the actual Flesh and Blood of our Lord, truly present. Not asking you to believe Transubstantiation or how or why. I just want to know, do you believe Jesus is ***physically ***present in the Eucharist.
 
Lapey said:
“docile submission” to Jesus Christ and His teachings is creepy? I guess I am creepy.😃
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No, “docile submission” to the Roman Catholic Church - or any other organization of men - is what’s creepy.
 
jharek, then would you please inform the powers to be to change the definition of who they claim as Catholic.
 
laneo said:
People on here claim that if you are truly Catholic you will follow ALL the teachings of the Church. So if someone just disagrees with just ONE SINGLE thing, that is in the Canon Law or presented to us in the Catechism or by the CC, then they are not Catholic? I mean just by human nature, all people will disagree with something at one point.
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It’s one thing to say, “I don’t understand this teaching, and I find it hard to accept.” That’s perfectly normal. We all have areas where we find the teachings hard to understand.

It’s a totally different thing to decide that you, all by yourself and with your one or two little University degrees, are so much more intelligent and gifted than 2,000 years of University-level scholarship in the Church, rooted in the teachings of Christ’s own Apostles, who walked with him and heard His every word of teaching with their own ears, and that, because you are so much more brilliant, then the Church is just obviously wrong.
 
TedDC said:
No, “docile submission” to the Roman Catholic Church - or any other organization of men - is what’s creepy.
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Sorry once again to bring this message to you, but here goes; the Catholic Church is the Church Christ built on the Rock, Peter. His truths are taught by her, which He is the head of. Therefore, if I reject her, I reject Him! Again i say, docile submission to Jesus and His teachings is required, not creepy.🙂
 
laneo said:
People on here claim that if you are truly Catholic you will follow ALL the teachings of the Church. So if someone just disagrees with just ONE SINGLE thing, that is in the Canon Law or presented to us in the Catechism or by the CC, then they are not Catholic? I mean just by human nature, all people will disagree with something at one point.
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Maybe. . .heck, we all sin. But do we repent?

I agree with **every single teaching of the Catholic Church. Bar none. Because I have lived 53 years --and counting. . .and I have searched these teachings and found them true. **
 
Lapey said:
Sorry once again to bring this message to you, but here goes; the Catholic Church is the Church Christ built on the Rock, Peter. His truths are taught by her, which He is the head of. Therefore, if I reject her, I reject Him! Again i say, docile submission to Jesus and His teachings is required, not creepy.🙂
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Everybody here knows that’s what the Church claims. Not all agree with this teaching.

CMATT Do you believe in the Real Presence? A simple “YES, NO, I DON’T KNOW” will do. Thank you.
 
CMatt25 said:
Annabelle Marie, I wanna come to your parish! 😃
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At our parish, we have those cookies with the strawberry flavored jelly in the middle. The coffee is also very strong, and there is juice that is made from no-name brand powdered juice mix. That stuff will knock your socks off. 🙂
 
Think of poor St. Thomas More. He could have told Henry VIII they agree on the “essentials” and spared himself a lot of grief. Instead he submitted himself to the Church. What a loser doormat!
 
guanophore said:
If this were true, then we would not have the Act of Contrition included in private prayer, and we would not have the Confiteor during the Liturgy.

I also think it is a mistake to fall into the trap of this language with our separated brethren They suggest that going through the sacraments is an obstacle, rather than “direct” encounter with God. We must take care not to feed into this notion. Encountering God in the sacraments is every bit as "direct’ as praying a prayer of repentance at home alone.

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Yes, but there are some faithful christians that don’t know this, and God does not hold their ignorance against them. He hears the sincere prayer of repentance from whereever it comes.

I think many of our separated brethren have received a hostility toward Penance because of past abuses.
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The Confiteor is the People of God praying as the People of God, which they have in virtue of the Church granting them citizenship in that people. All the prayers of the faithful are prayed within that context. The Etheopian eunuch (in Acts) was not part of the People of God (Israel), and was not allowed to be, even though he prayed and worshipped their God. After hearing from Philip, he did not simply “go away rejoicing” because now he knew about Jesus; he did not go away simply praying directly to God; instead he insisted that he wanted to be baptized - he wanted to be included as one of the people of God. Then and only then, when he was granted entrance into the Church, he went away rejoicing that he was one with that People, not an outsider who prayed as a God Fearer without being a Joint Heir with Christ.

Confession is a direct encounter with God, and Joyful; Penance is a direct encounter with God, and Joyful - I tell my priest that he is Jesus hearing me and he is Jesus directing me with the Penance - I tell him I want to participate in the Kingdom of God rather than in the isolated world of sin. And it is Jesus who is hearing me as he hears me.

Yes, he hears all prayers, but where does one go to hear him, except to the people he has sent to speak…
 
TedDC said:
No, “docile submission” to the Roman Catholic Church - or any other organization of men - is what’s creepy.
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Actually, it is the “Catholic Church”. “Roman” is only a part. . .there are Rites of the Latin Church which are in communion with Rome but not “Roman” per se.

And remember, “YOU” were the one who added ‘docile’. Now docile is a perfectly nice word, but the whole ‘emphasis’ of submission is now given that kind of skewed, ‘sheep like’ uncomprehending ‘color’. . .by you.

Also, the Catholic Church is not ‘simply’ an organization of men. As the Bride of Christ, it is mystically joined to Him and thus, shares with Him in Divine Truth. As individuals, of course, all of us ‘members’ are capable of error on our own. . .we can reject His truths. . .but the Church ‘preserves’ them, just as it once ‘preserved’ the written truths of Holy Scripture.

If the Church were ONLY an organization of ‘men’ it would be ridiculous to submit to such a thing. But since the Church is of Christ, and is as the Bride joined with Him as One, it would be ridiculous NOT to submit, for the Church is then part of Christ, and it is to Christ that we submit.
 
TedDC said:
No, “docile submission” to the Roman Catholic Church - or any other organization of men - is what’s creepy.
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You are submitting to God, approaching him like a child. Not creepy at all.
 
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