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Stephen Hawking says he proved that there was nothing before the big bang. How can he make such a wild claim? How can something come from nothing? Is he talking about only the material world and since God/ Heaven is not material in an earthly sense it didn’t get picked up in his calculations? I’m not a mathematician by any means but he says he used the theory of singularity to get his results. Thoughts?
 
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Stephen Hawking says he proved that there was nothing before the big bang. How can he make such a wild claim? How can something come from nothing? Is he talking about only the material world and since God/ Heaven is not material in an earthly sense it didn’t get picked up in his calculations? I’m not a mathematician by any means but he says he used the theory of singularity to get his results. Thoughts?
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Could you please provide the article?
 
Well, it hasn’t even been proved that there was a “big bang”, so I don’t know how anything in relation to it can be proved. It’s just a theory.
 
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Stephen Hawking says he proved that there was nothing before the big bang. How can he make such a wild claim?
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He’s long been in the habit of making wild claims in which he shoves his feet into his mouth up to the knee without realizing he’s done it. He’d be wise to confine his remarks to his field of competence, as would we all.
 
Precisely. I grow tired and annoyed of his fantastically ludicrous statements.😠
 
Science is often instrumentalized to serve certain interests.

Newton, Einstein, Tesla, and so many others…Believed!

All nobel prizes winners that are atheists are used as “proof” that God doesn’t exist. The media loves that sort of stuff, tell you what: “There is no inconsistency between science and faith!!!..”
 
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A Scientific theory is different from a colloquial understanding of a theory. What we think of as a theory is actually a hypothesis. A scientific theory is something that is supposedly proven.
 
It isn’t an article. I saw it in a documentary and then again in my college science class.
 
I don’t know, but Hawking stated in the documentary that he had “proven that God does not exist” and that the cause of the big bang was a black hole.
 
They said that Hawking used the singularity theory to prove that the universe exploded from a black hole. Thus the “universe came from nothing”. I was rolling my eyes the whole time.
 
I disagree. There is proven scientific evidence of what is happening in the universe now that make the Big Bang the only plausible explanation. See a Netflix documentary called “Everything and Nothing” for a very interesting and understandable explanation.

But Catholics should not fear Big Bang theory. A lot of people feel it is proof that God created the universe. Big Bang theory can be seen as a picture of what it looked like when He did. The idea that “something was created out of nothing” implies the hand of God.

It also gives us a picture of the end time. The Big Bang continues today as the stars are being flung apart from each other. At some point, stars other than the Sun will disappear from view, because they have gotten farther away. We will seem alone in our solar system. Also our Sun has an expiration date. Fortunately, we don’t have to worry about that. It will be well past our lifetimes.
 
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Stephen Hawking is the author of one of the stupidest quotes I have ever read in my entire life.

“Because there is a law such as gravity, the universe can and will create itself from nothing,” — "Spontaneous creation is the reason there is something rather than nothing, why the universe exists, why we exist.

That is one of the most unintelligible things I’ve ever heard anyone say. It is certainly possible for smart people to say stupid things, as illustriously illustrated by this “illuminating” quotation.

“[Mr. Hawking], what you’ve just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.”
 
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That is one of the most unintelligible things I’ve ever heard anyone say. It is certainly possible for smart people to say stupid things, as illustriously illustrated by this “illuminating” quotation.

“[Mr. Hawking], what you’ve just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.”
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OK. A simple ‘wrong!’ would have done just fine, but…
 
The trouble with Hawking and perhaps many other scientists is that they are quite well versed in science but have had no training in philosophy. Not only that, but science can study and observe only that which is material. It cannot study, as a matter of principle, God, angels, the soul, spirit, or anything that is not material. Thus when they think of Creation, they they of it as occurring within a material substrate of space and time. But space and time are part of Creation, not a precondition for it.

I get the impression that when cosmologists and physicists consider the idea of “nothing” they think of it as a substrate of virtual particle and anti-particle pairs. The end result is empty space. But a particle/antiparticle pair can arise spontaneously from such nothingness.

That is not what the theologian means by “nothing.” He means no space, no time, no substrate, no materiality whatever, no potential for materiality, no pre-existing space or time. Pure non-existence of both material and spiritual reality, except for God.
 
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