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Is it possible that because he is a scientist that he can not prove it so there it can not be.
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if_youCthispray
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there is already an on going discussion of this in another thread if you would like to join it see here:
forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?p=7875799#post7875799
forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?p=7875799#post7875799
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HickmanJosh
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nope, heaven does not reside within the universe, so science has no real authority on the matter.Is it possible that because he is a scientist that he can not prove it so there it can not be.
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Jennykay
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When commenting on what someone has said I think it is important to correctly
identify the person. His last name is Hawking not Hawkins.
identify the person. His last name is Hawking not Hawkins.
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Rascalking
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HickmanJosh is onto something.
Who cares what he says? He’s obviously a brilliant guy, but he is speaking totally out of his area of expertise.
This is a huge problem in our society. Just because someone has a Ph.D doesn’t mean they know about every single topic in humanity. You wouldn’t ask a Ph.D in English to preform heart surgery.
It goes both ways too. A priest shouldn’t spout of off about science unless they have the expertise.
Who cares what he says? He’s obviously a brilliant guy, but he is speaking totally out of his area of expertise.
This is a huge problem in our society. Just because someone has a Ph.D doesn’t mean they know about every single topic in humanity. You wouldn’t ask a Ph.D in English to preform heart surgery.
It goes both ways too. A priest shouldn’t spout of off about science unless they have the expertise.
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GKCT
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Stephen Hawkings is an atheist, so it is understandable for him not to believe in heaven–probably doesn’t believe in hell either. Sad to be so intelligent in other matters and not smart enough to believe in the one true Saviour.
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Rascalking
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Little_Boy_Lost
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How do Eastern Churches in Former Soviet countries deal with Atheism vs. the Roman Church in the west?
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Rascalking
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Little boy lost-I think your post is also lost! What does this have to do with topic?
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Little_Boy_Lost
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Fair enough, I’ll repost it as a thread topic.
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Ignatius
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There are a number of mathematical problems for which there is no solution, so they cannot be proven. Does that mean they don’t exist.
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evegazorro
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S.H. may be a brilliant secular cosmological materialist; but in the realm of the spiritual universe his brilliance does not shine, lacking the gift of faith though certainly not lacking in intellectual pride.Is it possible that because he is a scientist that he can not prove it so there it can not be.
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Alexander_Roman
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This man is not only a scientist, it should be pointed out, but someone who believes in “scientism” which is like a religion based on natural science’s a priori’s.
In the social sciences, we deal a lot with “probabilism” so trying to absolutely “prove” something before drawing inferences or conclusions is not always possible nor even desirable.
The problem as I see it, as a believer and a social science fellow, is that we just don’t put a premium on the study of general philosophy any more. That is a very big problem and one that leaves a giant gap in our knowledge and mental experience.
The philosophy that does get taught in universities tends to be reduced to an intellectual apology for secularism and scientism.
This great scientist is no philosopher, even though much of the intellectual environs in which the science he represents so well was born in a philosophical approach in the first instance.
In addition, being philosophically neutral, science has shown that it can be hijacked by other agendas, especially money-making ones. There are, however, movements today that go against the best medical science, preferring to return to nature and natural foods etc.
I know that there is really no malady that cannot be mainly reversed or taken under control by us without the need for drugs if we simply live the way God intended us to live - calmly with daily exercise, enjoying our friends and community and, for the most part, eating a vegetarian diet. There are 17 health benefits we can obtain by simply owning a cat! And spirituality, prayer, meditation etc. is always recommended for overall healing.
Everything else that scientific “progress” hoists on us via advertising are things we can well do without. That is not being against advancement, it is being critical of the nonsense that we do not need and that causes us problems in future.
(Look at those crazy commercials urging us to get our doctors to prescribe drugs that have a slew of dangerous side-effects, including . . . death . . .).
I’ve known an atheist who prays the Our Father, slowly and meditatively, daily. He says it really brings him peace.
But he still doesn’t believe in God.
If I were a natural scientist, I think I’d give God the benefit of the doubt, in such a case
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In the social sciences, we deal a lot with “probabilism” so trying to absolutely “prove” something before drawing inferences or conclusions is not always possible nor even desirable.
The problem as I see it, as a believer and a social science fellow, is that we just don’t put a premium on the study of general philosophy any more. That is a very big problem and one that leaves a giant gap in our knowledge and mental experience.
The philosophy that does get taught in universities tends to be reduced to an intellectual apology for secularism and scientism.
This great scientist is no philosopher, even though much of the intellectual environs in which the science he represents so well was born in a philosophical approach in the first instance.
In addition, being philosophically neutral, science has shown that it can be hijacked by other agendas, especially money-making ones. There are, however, movements today that go against the best medical science, preferring to return to nature and natural foods etc.
I know that there is really no malady that cannot be mainly reversed or taken under control by us without the need for drugs if we simply live the way God intended us to live - calmly with daily exercise, enjoying our friends and community and, for the most part, eating a vegetarian diet. There are 17 health benefits we can obtain by simply owning a cat! And spirituality, prayer, meditation etc. is always recommended for overall healing.
Everything else that scientific “progress” hoists on us via advertising are things we can well do without. That is not being against advancement, it is being critical of the nonsense that we do not need and that causes us problems in future.
(Look at those crazy commercials urging us to get our doctors to prescribe drugs that have a slew of dangerous side-effects, including . . . death . . .).
I’ve known an atheist who prays the Our Father, slowly and meditatively, daily. He says it really brings him peace.
But he still doesn’t believe in God.
If I were a natural scientist, I think I’d give God the benefit of the doubt, in such a case
Alex
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Rascalking
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Very, very good point.
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Alexander_Roman
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Actually, how are you a “Catholic Mormon?” I always thought the Mormons could have their own “Mormon Rite” in the Catholic Church!
God bless you!
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