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I remekmber the first time I acted as an EMHC, that feeling of handing the Body of Christ to my fellow faithful. I have had the privilage of doing this in Masses celebrated by many different prists as well as our phenomenal Bishop.

In the past few months I have made the decision after much prayer and study that I prefer receiving the Host, personally, on the tongue. Of course this caught a few priets of guard but most have adapter very well. That is until last evening.

I had already considered my unworthiness of acting as an EMHC due to what I have been reading in the Catechism, Canon Code and, surprisingly, the Scriptures (in persona Christi and the story of the Last Supper, not lost on me). Last evening I was called upon to participate more than just my EMHC duties, I was act to help usher and take up collection as well as process with one of the candles. In the Sacristy we were kind of scrambling due to there being a Chiefs game which caused some people to attend earlier Masses (I pray that was the case). Well our server was unclear as to when to ring the bells (a new thing in our parish, praise God).

I have to add here, that the presider last evening is a very great man and priest, one that has inspired countless people over nearly 60 years of ordination. He is a wonderful advisor and has helped me to clarify and increase my prayer life. I love this man dearly and have an incredible amount of respect for him.

The presider said not to worry about them bells. I would normally not worry about this, but something inside started waking up. Throughtout the Mass I became more and more agitated, the music was bugging me for one thing (didn’t sing a psalm, had something from Isaiah I believe), and then Eucharist started.

The Sanctus, a hymn of praise, should be sang by everyone not just the Cantor (no matter how wonderful his voice is). I felt like a visitor to a concert where the audience is allowed to sing the chorus. The Agnus Dei, granted we have some sort of dispensation in the US to substitute other phrases for the Agnus Dei or some sort or special whatever, but I truely do love either the Latin original or true English translation, there are wonderful arrangements for the music of the Agnus Dei.

Now, this is where I am feeling extreme pain. When I went up to receive with the other EMHC’s (after the presidor has taken the Chalice) I bent over to the priest (he is a bit on the very short side) with my tongue out, I thought far enough, and he freaked. I mean freaked. He at first acted as if he did not want to give me communion. I refused to hold out my hands so he said, “If you want to do it this way then stick out your tongue”.

How embarrassing. How humiliating. I can’t do this job any more. I should never have taken this job, it is not my place to be up there. Maybe others can reconcile it, I can not. THose who can, God Bless You, but for me, I have to step down. It hurts. And this is only the tip of the iceberg. Things are getting better in my parish, but they are far from being complete and frankly, I need something more. I decided that I am going to stich around to help my Catechumen through to Pentacost then I am going to change parishes.

I am not a big fan of the TLM, and the NO is lacking. I know of a parish that has a wonderful NO, and perhaps I will start attending the TLM more often. I just feel like I have been abandoned, selfish thought huh. I just wish I didn’t feel like the event that should be giving me life, is really killing me inside.

sorry for the length here.

In Christ and Mary,
Craig
 
Hang in there. Priests are human - some are fools, some are rude, some are arrogant self-serving twits and some are outright boobs. Of course many are very good and wonderfully holy men, too. You seem to have lighted upon one of the first kind (or maybe someone just tired - I’ don’t know.) In any event try not to let this stuff get you down too much. As long as the Church is made up of human beings it will have problems.
 
Prayers going up for you Craig.
Perhaps the priest just had a long day.

It’s amazing when the light of knowledge comes into your heart. But you have been given a huge responsibility with that knowledge, that is, to pray that those who are still in the dark will come with you.

Pray, pray, pray. Pray to St. Monica. Pray for their conversion. While some may feel that anyone making an effort is “Catholic enough”, you and I know the joy of a reverent experience. I pray that those I left behind at the “Catholic Community” and the parishes I visit on vacation, will be enlightened as well.

Most of all, don’t be discouraged. The winds of change are coming. Young people are realizing that they have been mislead by the “community” part of all of this and moving toward the reverent. The forty years of the "Spirit of Vatican II’ are but a blip on the radar of the church.

Things will right themselves and we will be stronger. As one of the other posters state, “Where a bone is broken, is the strongest part of the bone when it heals.” But we need time to heal.
 
May God Bless you for what you have done and Bless you in the future.

I remember back in 1963 when I was 15 and had just converted by a very stodgy Catholic priest who I thought the world of. But some of the things he did made me sit up and take notice. For example…this has stuck with me for 40+ years…in the middle of Mass a pregnant woman who was several months along sitting ahead of me became ill and got up to leave and I remember as if it were yesterday the priest stopping what he was doing and saying “Judy” (Last Name) you sit right back down there." Well…she didn’t and things continued on…but I will never forget that. Priests are human too and sometimes not the most objective.

Take care…

:heart:Blyss
 
It’s not just monsignor that has me all flustered. I think last night just showed me how I, Craig, should not be in a position where I am not fully called. Does that make sense? Its like I am overstepping my boundaries.

I converted to the CAtholic faith from the Methodist church, pseudo-liturgy (no offense meant) and little substance. I was confirmed in the SSPX. Now, here, I found the Eucharist. The sight of the priest, acting in persona Christi, standing over me with the host, incredible.

Arrgh! I just want to get all these old debts paid off so I can do some serious discernment with the OCSO. Perhaps my agravation is just another way God is telling me to let go of the fluff and go deeper into Him.

I sound so dramatic this morning, geesh.
 
It’s not just monsignor that has me all flustered. I think last night just showed me how I, Craig, should not be in a position where I am not fully called. Does that make sense? Its like I am overstepping my boundaries.

I converted to the CAtholic faith from the Methodist church, pseudo-liturgy (no offense meant) and little substance. I was confirmed in the SSPX. Now, here, I found the Eucharist. The sight of the priest, acting in persona Christi, standing over me with the host, incredible.

Arrgh! I just want to get all these old debts paid off so I can do some serious discernment with the OCSO. Perhaps my agravation is just another way God is telling me to let go of the fluff and go deeper into Him.

I sound so dramatic this morning, geesh.
As I said in another thread about another topic - sometimes it’s the small stuff that really crawls all over me.😛 Cut yourself some slack, you don’t have to be perfect either. God works with us in all our imperfections.😉
 
OP: I would not get too upset by a priest who acted startled by someone who wanted to receive on the tongue. Perhaps he had recently been bitten hard by a parishioner. I served as an EMHC for a few years on average for less than once every 8 weeks and I’ve been bitten hard enough times to be a bit wary.

Lots of people don’t know how to properly receive and do the “crocodile snap” catching the priest’s fingers or they basically snatch the Eucharist out of his hand rather than “receiving” it in their hand. Our parish got lectured on multiple occasions at the end of mass by a visiting priest one summer about proper reception of the Eucharist (for good reason).
 
I remekmber the first time I acted as an EMHC, that feeling of handing the Body of Christ to my fellow faithful. I have had the privilage of doing this in Masses celebrated by many different prists as well as our phenomenal Bishop.

In the past few months I have made the decision after much prayer and study that I prefer receiving the Host, personally, on the tongue. Of course this caught a few priets of guard but most have adapter very well. That is until last evening.

I had already considered my unworthiness of acting as an EMHC due to what I have been reading in the Catechism, Canon Code and, surprisingly, the Scriptures (in persona Christi and the story of the Last Supper, not lost on me). Last evening I was called upon to participate more than just my EMHC duties, I was act to help usher and take up collection as well as process with one of the candles. In the Sacristy we were kind of scrambling due to there being a Chiefs game which caused some people to attend earlier Masses (I pray that was the case). Well our server was unclear as to when to ring the bells (a new thing in our parish, praise God).

I have to add here, that the presider last evening is a very great man and priest, one that has inspired countless people over nearly 60 years of ordination. He is a wonderful advisor and has helped me to clarify and increase my prayer life. I love this man dearly and have an incredible amount of respect for him.

The presider said not to worry about them bells. I would normally not worry about this, but something inside started waking up. Throughtout the Mass I became more and more agitated, the music was bugging me for one thing (didn’t sing a psalm, had something from Isaiah I believe), and then Eucharist started.

The Sanctus, a hymn of praise, should be sang by everyone not just the Cantor (no matter how wonderful his voice is). I felt like a visitor to a concert where the audience is allowed to sing the chorus. The Agnus Dei, granted we have some sort of dispensation in the US to substitute other phrases for the Agnus Dei or some sort or special whatever, but I truely do love either the Latin original or true English translation, there are wonderful arrangements for the music of the Agnus Dei.

Now, this is where I am feeling extreme pain. When I went up to receive with the other EMHC’s (after the presidor has taken the Chalice) I bent over to the priest (he is a bit on the very short side) with my tongue out, I thought far enough, and he freaked. I mean freaked. He at first acted as if he did not want to give me communion. I refused to hold out my hands so he said, “If you want to do it this way then stick out your tongue”.

How embarrassing. How humiliating. I can’t do this job any more. I should never have taken this job, it is not my place to be up there. Maybe others can reconcile it, I can not. THose who can, God Bless You, but for me, I have to step down. It hurts. And this is only the tip of the iceberg. Things are getting better in my parish, but they are far from being complete and frankly, I need something more. I decided that I am going to stich around to help my Catechumen through to Pentacost then I am going to change parishes.

I am not a big fan of the TLM, and the NO is lacking. I know of a parish that has a wonderful NO, and perhaps I will start attending the TLM more often. I just feel like I have been abandoned, selfish thought huh. I just wish I didn’t feel like the event that should be giving me life, is really killing me inside.

sorry for the length here.

In Christ and Mary,
Craig
Did this take place before or after the Chargers won?
 
Why step down? I know it is difficult but maybe you should hang in there.

I am serving up on the Altar and am the only one who receives on the tongue. They do not let me serve except with one priest as it is the custom for the others to step up and receive the Eucharist in their hand. Then the Priest receives and the rest of them take the Eucharist at about the same time.

One irksome thing that happens which, now I just close my eyes so I don’t have to see is at daily Mass the man who distributes the wine, steps up holds out his hand (usually forcing the priest to give him the Eucharist as he puts it out before the “Lamb of God”) and usually takes the Eucharist at the same time and sometimes before the priest. (as I said, I just close my eyes now at daily Mass so I don’t have to see it)

It takes a while to work against the current so sometimes it is better to keep your mouth shut and work on your own personal practice as we wait in joyful hope for the true renewal of the liturgy.

So be patient and continue to practice your faith reverently, maybe you will inspire others to have more respect.

In Christ
Scylla
 
Actually this was the 8pm Mass, so during the game actually. :rotfl:
There you have it, the real problem behind how people were acting. Dont let it get to you, and dont hold anything against him in the long run.

If you want send him an email but dont push it past that.
 
Why step down? I know it is difficult but maybe you should hang in there.

I am serving up on the Altar and am the only one who receives on the tongue. They do not let me serve except with one priest as it is the custom for the others to step up and receive the Eucharist in their hand. Then the Priest receives and the rest of them take the Eucharist at about the same time.

One irksome thing that happens which, now I just close my eyes so I don’t have to see is at daily Mass the man who distributes the wine, steps up holds out his hand (usually forcing the priest to give him the Eucharist as he puts it out before the “Lamb of God”) and usually takes the Eucharist at the same time and sometimes before the priest. (as I said, I just close my eyes now at daily Mass so I don’t have to see it)

It takes a while to work against the current so sometimes it is better to keep your mouth shut and work on your own personal practice as we wait in joyful hope for the true renewal of the liturgy.

So be patient and continue to practice your faith reverently, maybe you will inspire others to have more respect.

In Christ
Scylla
Whooaaahh Nelly . . . . . Wait a minute here.

Why is your parish not following the guidelines so carefully laid out by the Holy See in the Document Redemptionis Sacramentum?

This document was issued about two years ago or so and it clearly states that no one (EMHC) is to approach the sanctuary to help in the distribution of Holy Communion until AFTER the celebrant has consumed both the Host and the Precious Blood. Only then are EHMC’s to enter the Sanctuary.

Take a look at this for reference:

ewtn.com/library/CURIA/CDWRDSAC.HTM
 
I am sorry that someone who is only trying to live his faith, and serve the Lord is treated in this way. There seem to be a few things going on at your Mass which are not “kosher.” After you check Redemptionis Sacramentum about the use of EMHC’s, you might what to take a look at the General Instruction of the Roman Missal. There is no special dispensation to change the words of the Agnus Dei. You can site paragraphs 24 and 83. The supplication may be sung by a cantor or choir, but the congregation should respond, or the Agnus Dei may be recited. It may be repeated as many times as necessary until the fraction rite is completed, but it is alway concluded with “dona nobis pacem.” No matter what the missalette says, the offical church documents do not allow for changes in the words of the Agnus Dei which is part of the Mass itself.
 
Throughtout the Mass I became more and more agitated, the music was bugging me for one thing (didn’t sing a psalm, had something from Isaiah I believe), and then Eucharist started.
Yesterday’s Responsorial was the Canticle of Isaiah; is that what you’re referring to? The Responsorial can be either a Psalm or a Canticle; it doesn’t always have to be a Psalm, only.

It’s set in the Lectionary, which I assume comes from Rome, so your pastor was not “innovating” in this particular case. Just so you know, for the future.
 
To the OP: in absolutely no way do I mean to minimize the embarassment you felt; however, is there a chance that you did not, in fact, have your mouth open wide with your tongue out?

(Btw, I receive on the tongue, by intinction, also. And I’ve actually gone before a mirror at home just to check that what “feels” like a wide open mouth actually is one!😛 )

With that said, I would also beg you to have a little bit more charity to what sounds like a cranky, height-challenged priest.

When I changed dioceses, and as my understanding of the purpose of EMHCs evolved, I also gave up that role.
 
Hi Craig,
I totally understand your need to vent… and no, you didn’t sound dramatic. I will definitely say some prayers for you, but in terms of advice the only thing I would add to previous comments is that it is much easier to affect change when you have a seat at the table. Your love of the Eucharist seems pretty apparent to me and it would be a shame to lose an EMHC who obviously has a great respect for Jesus present in the Holy Eucharist… sure, take a break if you need to, but I truly hope you continue as an EMHC and continue to set a positive example for others
God Bless and Merry Christmas to you and your family!!
 
Hi Craig,
I totally understand your need to vent… and no, you didn’t sound dramatic. I will definitely say some prayers for you, but in terms of advice the only thing I would add to previous comments is that it is much easier to affect change when you have a seat at the table. Your love of the Eucharist seems pretty apparent to me and it would be a shame to lose an EMHC who obviously has a great respect for Jesus present in the Holy Eucharist… sure, take a break if you need to, but I truly hope you continue as an EMHC and continue to set a positive example for others
God Bless and Merry Christmas to you and your family!!
 
There is no special dispensation to change the words of the Agnus Dei. You can site paragraphs 24 and 83. The supplication may be sung by a cantor or choir, but the congregation should respond, or the Agnus Dei may be recited. It may be repeated as many times as necessary until the fraction rite is completed, but it is alway concluded with “dona nobis pacem.” No matter what the missalette says, the offical church documents do not allow for changes in the words of the Agnus Dei which is part of the Mass itself.
Amen and I will second this…You should bring this to your priests attention first…Also, watch after the first stanza of the Agnus Dei is recited or sung, is the priest finished with the fracture and waiting, if yes, you only need the 3 stanzas…

Had this exact problem in my parish and it was rectified quickly…Sure enough we were singing the “Bread of Life” and “Prince of peace” in place of wording because that’s what the MUSIC BOOK had in it that the cantor used…also we were doing 4 stanzas of the Agnus Dei when not necessary, as the priest was waiting after the first…

the music books are not authoritative when it comes to the liturgy…

If someone says they have received a dispensation, kindly ask to see it…I have never heard of any such thing for the Agnus Dei…

good luck with these issues !!! 🙂
 
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