Sterility is the new baseline for young couples

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True. I was in this category with my first wife, 20 years ago. We got married with no intention to have children until we were “ready” (and never did).

Fast forward to 37 years old, converted to Catholic, married again and having babies as fast as we can, wishing we had met years ago we will probably end of with 4, and be in our 60s when they are finishing high school.

When a society gets to the point where having children is “optional,” it is only a matter of time until it collapses.
 
My son recently completed a pre-cana program and the first topic was “how to use NFP to avoid pregnancy” so apparently, even among young Catholics, the trend is to not want/accept children - at least "till they get established.
 
My son recently completed a pre-cana program and the first topic was “how to use NFP to avoid pregnancy” so apparently, even among young Catholics, the trend is to not want/accept children - at least "till they get established.
How does this mean that the trend is “to not want/accept children”? The intent is to give couples knowledge about avoiding pregnancy if they have good reason to do so. It’s very easy to contracept, so providing information on NFP might actually be the first time a couple hears about such a thing.

Some couples do start out their marriages with serious reasons to avoid pregnancy. I hope that you are not suggesting that NFP use is somehow wrong.

PS- The link you provided does not work, so I am not sure what the context is.
 
I think our society has been anti-child for quite some time. The generation after mine will probably be the first to find a balance between career and family; or maybe not. The birth rate is 1.89 per women, which in the context of married couples is below the replacement rate. However, that’s not always in the context of married couples; it is noteworthy that among segments of our society, the illegitimacy rate is so high that having a single mother is the norm for a child.

Part of this is career; that’s not to say that women shouldn’t have a career, but rather that we haven’t culturally figured out a comfortable balance between family and career, and I’d argue that pressure is on young men as well as young women. Mine is a traditional household, I work and my wife stays home with our two children. She intends to return to work when the youngest is in school, but it is a financial struggle for us right now. I hold a master’s degree, and work at a senior level. But we shop at Aldi’s, the thrift store, and give homemade gifts. If we travel it’s because someone helped cover the costs, either by giving us a place to stay, a gift certificate for a hotel, or buying the plane tickets (mostly my parents, who live across country).

So I could see another young adult looking at their 20’s, thinking about the cost, whether in day care or in career time lost, and postponing a family indefinitely. That says so many things about our work culture - that more than half a century after women’s lib, women are still afraid to have kids because of repercussions from their employer; that the burden of student loan debt creates a dichotomy between wanting education for all but limiting choices in life; that the cost of day care continues to skyrocket (my wife was taking home less than $200 a month after paying day care); and that the aspiration to material wealth trumps the desire for a family.
When a society gets to the point where having children is “optional,” it is only a matter of time until it collapses.
I agree. The fastest-growing segment of our population is that consisting of new immigrants. We want families to be able to grow and provide quality health care, education, and a good upbringing and have that taken care of within the family. I worry very much that our young people are increasingly the children of broken and impoverished homes, where English is not the first language and the skills of the parents are very limited. That spells out a future with a heavy financial burden on the government, and an increasingly unequal and polarized populace.
My son recently completed a pre-cana program and the first topic was “how to use NFP to avoid pregnancy” so apparently, even among young Catholics, the trend is to not want/accept children - at least "till they get established.
NFP is a topic in every pre-cana. I gathered the intent of its presence in ours was to present it as a viable alternative to artificial contraception. That support helped us in our determination to use NFP to space the births of our children, but it was openly mocked by other attendees. It is sad to note that we know more couples who are struggling with infertility than couples who have decided they are done having children, and I think that the artificial birth control has much to do with this.
 
We live in a pedophobic society. Even when we were just on #2 there were comments and such. We have 3 now, and I have to say I am finally getting used to the question of whether or not we are done. I still think it is an inappropriate and tactless question, but I have my answers and delivery down.

NFP isn’t a bad thing. As with all things you can use it wrongly, but for us it is simply a fact that more than 3, or really more than 2, kids in daycare at a time is just too expensive. We can do 3, but preferably not for more than a year. One is part time and it is a less expensive than most daycare, so we got lucky there, or was it Divine Providence? So we use NFP to space children to limit the number in daycare. Also, I don’t know if my wife could really handle a new baby all the time.
 
I remember in the 80’s whenever there was an prize of an all inclusive family trip, there was a stipulation that it meant 2 adults and 2 kids. I use to wonder how is that all inclusive when most of my peers had 3+ kids in their family. People didn’t really raise eyebrows until a family reach more than 4 kids.

I can’t speak because I am a single woman who never had kids, so I will not pressure married people to have kids. However, I just want to state, I don’t think this is a new trend. I think it has been going on for over 30 years

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My son recently completed a pre-cana program and the first topic was “how to use NFP to avoid pregnancy” so apparently, even among young Catholics, the trend is to not want/accept children - at least "till they get established.
Given what percentage of Catholics uses contraception, that’s entirely prudent on the part of the pre-cana organizers.

It’s a really bad idea to wait to learn NFP until you “really need it.” By the time you “really need it” (for instance after mom has had four c-sections in a row or developed serious health problems) learning is generally difficult and a failure could be catastrophic. That’s in effect creating a situation where sterilization is going to look very attractive. Mastering NFP early can be very helpful in avoiding a near occasion of sin.
 
Why can’t you just let people live their lives how they want to without worrying so much?
 
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