Steve Jobs Was Glad He Didn't Become a Victim of Abortion

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Just goes to show the kinds of people that the world loses through abortion.

The priest at old parish once said, ‘The world could have already been given the people who could cure cancer, etc. but we went and aborted them.’
 
👍 This is exactly what I have been saying all along!
PerfectTiming said:
Just goes to show the kinds of people that the world loses through abortion.

The priest at old parish once said, ‘The world could have already been given the people who could cure cancer, etc. but we went and aborted them.’
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Many people claim it isn’t right to bring a child into the world that is born into poverty, the product of rape, born with Down’s Syndrome, the offspring of a failed marriage, the child of a girl who never got the chance to go to college, etc.

I don’t know anyone who is poor, the product of a rape, born with Down’s Syndrome, the child of divorced parents, or whose mother lost her chance to get to go to college, etc. who wishes they hadn’t been born or who would have preferred that their mother had aborted them.

The single greatest gift we are ever given by God is life and consciousness, to be a piece of the universe that is able to feel and think and make our own choices. Thank God.
 
Arizona_Mike said:
Many people claim it isn’t right to bring a child into the world that is born into poverty, the product of rape, born with Down’s Syndrome, the offspring of a failed marriage, the child of a girl who never got the chance to go to college, etc.

I don’t know anyone who is poor, the product of a rape, born with Down’s Syndrome, the child of divorced parents, or whose mother lost her chance to get to go to college, etc. who wishes they hadn’t been born or who would have preferred that their mother had aborted them.

The single greatest gift we are ever given by God is life and consciousness, to be a piece of the universe that is able to feel and think and make our own choices. Thank God.
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I get really upset when people say those with Down’s Syndrome and other disabilities should just be aborted. I grew up in a close community with two girls with Down’s Syndrome. They were happy, beautiful, loving children and they may have had their difficulties but they have lives so full of love and joy, lives that are truly worth living and lived to the fullest. It breaks my heart that people can be so ignorant to say that they don’t even deserve to live.
 
Am I the only one who is a bit bothered about all this talk of abortion, and not the hundreds of thousands of children dying of poverty in Africa, Asia, etc?
 
Arizona_Mike said:
I don’t know anyone who is poor, the product of a rape, born with Down’s Syndrome, the child of divorced parents, or whose mother lost her chance to get to go to college, etc. who wishes they hadn’t been born or who would have preferred that their mother had aborted them.
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“For he did not kill me in the womb, with my mother as my grave, her womb enlarged forever. Why did I ever come out of the womb to see trouble and sorrow and to end my days in shame?” (Jeremiah 20:17-18)
 
Bohm_Bawerk said:
Am I the only one who is a bit bothered about all this talk of abortion, and not the hundreds of thousands of children dying of poverty in Africa, Asia, etc?
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I can walk and chew gum at the same time. Both things bother me-poverty in Africa/Asia and abortion as well.
 
Bohm_Bawerk said:
“For he did not kill me in the womb, with my mother as my grave, her womb enlarged forever. Why did I ever come out of the womb to see trouble and sorrow and to end my days in shame?” (Jeremiah 20:17-18)
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Jeremiah was a notorious kvetch.

There is a difference between saying, metaphorically, “Why was I ever born?” to God (with whom he had a direct communication as a prophet) and wishing that his mother had aborted him.

Jeremiah is one of many people in the Bible who got spittin’-mad at God, which God does not seem to discourage. It happens, and is part of our closeness to Him at times:

“What did I do to deserve the burden of all these people? Did I give birth to them? Did I bring them into the world? Why did you tell me to carry them in my arms like a mother carries a nursing baby?…If this is how you intend to treat me, just go ahead and kill me. Do me a favor and spare me this misery! (Num 11:10-15)

*And as the sun grew hot, God arranged for a scorching east wind to blow on Jonah. The sun beat down on his head until he grew faint and wished to die. “Death is certainly better than living like this!” he exclaimed. Then God said to Jonah, “Is it right for you to be angry because the plant died?”

“Yes,” Jonah retorted, “angry enough to die!” (Jonah 4:8-9)*

The latter part of this conversation between God and Sarah doesn’t sound like the interaction between a vast and cool and unsympathetic deity and his creations; it sounds more like one of the more heated conversations in our house between me and one of my teenagers:

Then the Lord said to Abraham, “Why did Sarah laugh and say, ‘Will I really have a child, now that I am old?’ Is anything too hard for the Lord? I will return to you at the appointed time next year and Sarah will have a son.” Sarah was afraid, so she lied and said, “I didn’t laugh.” But He said, “Yes, you did.” (Gen 18:13-15)

There is a tradition in this kind of family closeness - and sometimes, crankiness - between created and Creator, I sometimes think. It’s because we’re (He and I) family, and we sometimes lash out at those closest to us. It’s why languages that have the formal and informal versions of “You” always use the informal version when addressing God - he’s our Father, and you can’t have a closer relationship than between He and us.
 
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Am I the only one who is a bit bothered about all this talk of abortion, and not the hundreds of thousands of children dying of poverty in Africa, Asia, etc?
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I’m very bothered, but not in the way you mean. I’m bothered that thousands of children die all around the world, every day, because of hunger, disease, abuse, murder, including murder via abortion. I’m bothered that many believe the solution to poverty is abortion. I’m bothered that instead of living the Gospel, many of my fellow Catholics buy into the lie that abortion is a personal decision and not the killing of one of God’s children.

Perhaps the story of Steve Jobs might make some people stop and think about the dignity and value of each human life, not just the ones that we humans determine are worth living.

+JMJ+
 
Bohm_Bawerk said:
Am I the only one who is a bit bothered about all this talk of abortion, and not the hundreds of thousands of children dying of poverty in Africa, Asia, etc?
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Is caring for the poor and opposing abortion mutually exclusive?
 
estesbob said:
Is caring for the poor and opposing abortion mutually exclusive?
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I wouldn’t say so, but it seems to me that the issue of abortion is now more about political point scoring than a genuine interest in the human right(s) of the unborn.

The fact remains that new legislation always takes considerably long to implement. It would only make sense therefore to divert all that energy on a task that is incredibly difficult to achieve (if it ever will) to the much more simple and exigent task of those around the world who are dying because of malnutrition and other causes. This is in conformity with St. Therese of Lisieux’s “Little Way”, an approach that made her become a Doctor of the Church.

I don’t know about what you perceive, but from what I gather, there is so much emphasis on abortion that everyone seems to have forgotten that there are people in this world who are essentially “born to die”. It’s almost as if people only care about others until they are born :(.
 
The pro-life movement will always be special to me because an uncle of mine and his wife had issues that prevented them from having a child of their own, so they adopted a son right at birth and i’m grateful that his birth Mother did the right thing.

I really didn’t know that much about Steve Jobs because i’ve never used an Apple product and didn’t know he was adopted until after he passed away. Imagine the world without Apple if abortion had been an option for Jobs’ birth mother.
 
Bohm_Bawerk said:
I wouldn’t say so, but it seems to me that the issue of abortion is now more about political point scoring than a genuine interest in the human right(s) of the unborn.

The fact remains that new legislation always takes considerably long to implement. It would only make sense therefore to divert all that energy on a task that is incredibly difficult to achieve (if it ever will) to the much more simple and exigent task of those around the world who are dying because of malnutrition and other causes. This is in conformity with St. Therese of Lisieux’s “Little Way”, an approach that made her become a Doctor of the Church.

I don’t know about what you perceive, but from what I gather, there is so much emphasis on abortion that everyone seems to have forgotten that there are people in this world who are essentially “born to die”. It’s almost as if people only care about others until they are born :(.
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As one who has been involved in the pro-life mnsitry for over 30 years i can tell you are wrong. We care deeply for the poor and needy but recognize the obvious-without the right to life all other rights are meaningless.

This is one of the ministries I support that cares for those considered “born to die” You might consider supporting her also.

sisterstanschildren.org/aboutus.html
 
Bohm_Bawerk said:
Am I the only one who is a bit bothered about all this talk of abortion, and not the hundreds of thousands of children dying of poverty in Africa, Asia, etc?
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Of course pro life supporters care for the poor! In fact, I would say its one of the (many) reasons they are pro life in the first place. After all, if one does not have the right to life, then they will not have the right to a decent quality of life, or anything else for that matter. The right to life is the first right; All other rights comes from it.
 
garn9173 said:
The pro-life movement will always be special to me because an uncle of mine and his wife had issues that prevented them from having a child of their own, so they adopted a son right at birth and i’m grateful that his birth Mother did the right thing.

I really didn’t know that much about Steve Jobs because i’ve never used an Apple product and didn’t know he was adopted until after he passed away. Imagine the world without Apple if abortion had been an option for Jobs’ birth mother.
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It would be hard to imagine.

In his own words, Steve Jobs in his 15 minute commencement speech June 2005 to graduates of Stanford University, where he touched on his adoption:

How to Live Before You Die
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The ‘we lose potentially valuable people through abortion’ argument has two strong counterpoints.
  1. we also lose valuable people as a result of unmarried people not having sex
  2. by nor aborting them we also gain Hitlers and Pol Pots
The argument has nothing to do with the morality or otherwise of abortion.
 
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