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That_one_guy
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and in case you DO care…
Here is a supplier of well treated beef.
(Not that I eat it.But,for those of you who do…)steakburger.com/index.php
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Here is a supplier of well treated beef.
(Not that I eat it.But,for those of you who do…)steakburger.com/index.php
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Ridgerunner
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My speakers didn’t work, so I won’t be able to hear the dialogue of the films until later. Therefore, I don’t know how the speakers represented what was being portrayed.
It will be interesting to hear it, because the films do not portray some the processes as they really are; certainly not typically, but perhaps more importantly, they are very incomplete. A person would almost have to see the whole operation to understand it.
It might be mentioned that poultry growers get paid on the basis of the number of live, undamaged, healthy chickens they produce. Those poultry plants are so controlled that computers trace every chicken that comes in. Weights are taken and records kept by astoundingly sophisticated computer systems. Bruises and wounds are counted against the grower and the “chicken catchers”. That’s meat that will be condemned, and the integrator won’t put up with any significant amount of it. A grower who treated the chickens badly would go broke in a hurrry. If chickens arrive at the plant with fresh wounds, the catchers won’t keep their jobs very long either, and the integrator knows who, exactly, raised, caught and transported every chicken. Diseased chickens are condemned by USDA.
Those are just a few things. Like I said, I will be interested to hear the dialogue.
It will be interesting to hear it, because the films do not portray some the processes as they really are; certainly not typically, but perhaps more importantly, they are very incomplete. A person would almost have to see the whole operation to understand it.
It might be mentioned that poultry growers get paid on the basis of the number of live, undamaged, healthy chickens they produce. Those poultry plants are so controlled that computers trace every chicken that comes in. Weights are taken and records kept by astoundingly sophisticated computer systems. Bruises and wounds are counted against the grower and the “chicken catchers”. That’s meat that will be condemned, and the integrator won’t put up with any significant amount of it. A grower who treated the chickens badly would go broke in a hurrry. If chickens arrive at the plant with fresh wounds, the catchers won’t keep their jobs very long either, and the integrator knows who, exactly, raised, caught and transported every chicken. Diseased chickens are condemned by USDA.
Those are just a few things. Like I said, I will be interested to hear the dialogue.
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thistle
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Very good but how does that help me going into a supermarket in Manila, Philippines where I live?and in case you DO care…
Here is a supplier of well treated beef.
steakburger.com/index.php
By the way its not a question of “in case I care”. I care about people first and foremost, particularly the children being murdered by abortion and the hundreds of millions of starving people in the world. These MUST get our full attention before animals. Animals are not and should not be anyone’s priority.
Also I do not believe that rearing animals for food damages to any real extent the environment. This is basically the line given by those who love animals more than people and I also firmly believe that the vast majority of farms etc rear animals in a way that is not cruel.
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That_one_guy
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I was merely trying to share a way to get ethically raised beef.I should have said,"If you’re interested."My apologies.
I agree that humans take precedence over animals.However, it has also been proven that there is a direct correlation between the abuse of animals and the psychology of the sociopath.
The methodology of certain farming institutions has been shown to be causing much damage to the environment.In some cases irreversible damage.
(THAT is ‘a line’ frequently given by people who are trying to spin the issue)I am sure that the vast majority of farmers really do care about their animals.It is the nature of the farmer.But,when large corporations step in and the local farmer can no longer compete,then that farmer is forced to adopt methods that might be considered more efficient,but are detrimental in the long course of events. Some times the farmer is even forced (by these same factors) to basically ‘sell out’ to these corporations who then implement these techniques and the farmers do feel a bit guilty for it.I could link you to articles if you like.
When it comes right down to it.We as individuals should do what we can on a personal level to improve our behaviors and interactions towards/with the environment and ALL of God’s creation.If I can improve myself in some area of my life,then the world has just improved ever so slightly.
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Ridgerunner
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Watched and listened to the “chicken” film.
I have been in egg-laying operations and in poultry plants, and what is pictured is anything but typical. First of all, in egg-laying operations, the hens can go in and out of the “nests”, wander about and get food and water at will. All hens, whether in a factory operation or on a family farm, will select a nesting place that has certain characteristics, and keep returning to that one place to lay each egg. Sometimes they will change, but not usually. The nests in big operations are, indeed, wire structures. But they’re not “cages” and only one hen is in each one. The reason why they’re “cage like” is to keep the hens from pecking at each other as they nest. But again, they’re open on one side so the hen can come and go.
Nests are elevated above the floor level. The floors are typically covered with a thick layer of wood shavings or rice hulls, which are absorbant, and changed frequently.
It is stupid for any company not to provide adequate food and water, lighting, temperature and other conditions. Stressed hens don’t lay well, so they do everything to relieve it. What they DON’T have is hawks overhead to worry about, like “range chickens” do.
The “plant” photos are not enough to give a good picture of what the conditions are really like.
I don’t know if these photos are staged or if they found some facility that was “in the tank”. But they are anything but typical.
I have been in egg-laying operations and in poultry plants, and what is pictured is anything but typical. First of all, in egg-laying operations, the hens can go in and out of the “nests”, wander about and get food and water at will. All hens, whether in a factory operation or on a family farm, will select a nesting place that has certain characteristics, and keep returning to that one place to lay each egg. Sometimes they will change, but not usually. The nests in big operations are, indeed, wire structures. But they’re not “cages” and only one hen is in each one. The reason why they’re “cage like” is to keep the hens from pecking at each other as they nest. But again, they’re open on one side so the hen can come and go.
Nests are elevated above the floor level. The floors are typically covered with a thick layer of wood shavings or rice hulls, which are absorbant, and changed frequently.
It is stupid for any company not to provide adequate food and water, lighting, temperature and other conditions. Stressed hens don’t lay well, so they do everything to relieve it. What they DON’T have is hawks overhead to worry about, like “range chickens” do.
The “plant” photos are not enough to give a good picture of what the conditions are really like.
I don’t know if these photos are staged or if they found some facility that was “in the tank”. But they are anything but typical.
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That_one_guy
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youtube.com/watch?v=Bd_pCS9N5Vg
I used to raise chickens.Not in mass quantities.I took care of my chickens.They were more like pets.It wasn’t cost effective to raise them for the eggs or meat.But,that’s not why I did it.I merely had the space and it added to the ‘farminess’ of my little quarter acre.
If you raise chickens in a humane fashion,then kudos to you!
But,if this information makes you angry,then maybe there is some guilt.If it doesn’t apply to you, then why do you take a defensive posture?
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Ridgerunner
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I don’t raise chickens at all. Never did, except when I was a kid and we had a few for our own eggs and meat; your typical “range chickens”. I have just been in growout facilities, egg laying facilities and poultry plants, and I know what they’re like. There are a lot of them around here.youtube.com/watch?v=Bd_pCS9N5Vg
I used to raise chickens.Not in mass quantities.I took care of my chickens.They were more like pets.It wasn’t cost effective to raise them for the eggs or meat.But,that’s not why I did it.I merely had the space and it added to the ‘farminess’ of my little quarter acre.
If you raise chickens in a humane fashion,then kudos to you!
And I’m not angry. I’m just saying these photos do not accurately depict what is typical. I only watched the poultry film. I can’t say about the others, except that I have also been in a hog processing plant and they don’t kill them by throwing things at their heads like the guy at the beginning of the poultry film. I have no idea what that guy was doing. Same with the guy in the poultry house who appears to hit a chicken with a stick for no reason at all that I could tell. Those things were just weird and, I suspect, contrived.
I didn’t watch the other films because I suspect they might also be contrived. Maybe I will sometime.
Years ago, I was like a lot of people in that I supposed that, e.g., poultry or hog plants were nightmares of nastiness, blood, hair and feathers flying everywhere. When I actually got a chance to visit some of them, I was very favorably surprised in every way, particularly in the poultry plants.
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That_one_guy
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I don’t mean to imply that all chicken farmers are cruel.Certainly advances have been made.And I know a lot of farmers are passionate about their ‘craft’ or ‘trade’,whatever it is,…I know some old cowboys who had to find other means of employment because the ranches were closed due to environmental concerns.And they loved their cattle.(seriously)
My main concern with all of this,however,(and I failed to make this point) is that a lot of environmental issues are raised because of the standards of cleanliness in these places.Bird flu is a result of these conditions.and othe factory farming issues are getting e.coli and other bacterias into our food.
I raise these points to hopefully urge others to be aware of things that need to be addressed.And there are groups that are addressing these issues.
As a Christian,I feel it is my duty to do my part.I see all of these issues as pro-life issues;taking it a step further than aborted babies or birth-control. Humans certainly take precedence over animals.But,the conditions in which these animals are raised or treated does effect all of us on several levels.Some effects are more obvious than others.Such as the callousness which many persons have towards animals.(read my by-line/signature quoting St.Francis).
Anyway,I am enjoying all this.I am learning more than I am ‘preaching’, actually!
I have a few chores I need to take care of before the missus gets home.
MERRY CHRISTMAS!
To everyone who looks at this.
And to you,too,Ridgerunner.Your (name removed by moderator)ut is appreciated.Everyones (name removed by moderator)ut helps me to define my position on these issues a little more clearly.
Thank you everyone!
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Ridgerunner
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Bird flu, as I understand it, is actually a product of the close association of hogs, poultry and people. Most new flus, I believe, come from Asia because Asian small farmers have hogs and poultry all together and close to human habitations. Somehow, the flu virus can mutate going from one species to another in that particular three-way combination.I don’t mean to imply that all chicken farmers are cruel.Certainly advances have been made.And I know a lot of farmers are passionate about their ‘craft’ or ‘trade’,whatever it is,…I know some old cowboys who had to find other means of employment because the ranches were closed due to environmental concerns.And they loved their cattle.(seriously)
My main concern with all of this,however,(and I failed to make this point) is that a lot of environmental issues are raised because of the standards of cleanliness in these places.Bird flu is a result of these conditions.and othe factory farming issues are getting e.coli and other bacterias into our food.
I raise these points to hopefully urge others to be aware of things that need to be addressed.And there are groups that are addressing these issues.
As a Christian,I feel it is my duty to do my part.I see all of these issues as pro-life issues;taking it a step further than aborted babies or birth-control. Humans certainly take precedence over animals.But,the conditions in which these animals are raised or treated does effect all of us on several levels.Some effects are more obvious than others.Such as the callousness which many persons have towards animals.(read my by-line/signature quoting St.Francis).
Anyway,I am enjoying all this.I am learning more than I am ‘preaching’, actually!
I have a few chores I need to take care of before the missus gets home.
MERRY CHRISTMAS!
To everyone who looks at this.
And to you,too,Ridgerunner.Your (name removed by moderator)ut is appreciated.Everyones (name removed by moderator)ut helps me to define my position on these issues a little more clearly.
Thank you everyone!
Most poultry farmers are extremely particular about disease. Most of them won’t allow you into the houses unless you put on protective shoe coverings, lest you inadvertently bring in some avian disease from stepping in bird feces somewhere. Major hog farmers are even more that way, because hogs can catch a number of human diseases. Both make the houses “bird proof” so wild birds can’t get in and introduce disease.
You do have a point with some of the more virulent strains of e coli, which some believe (probably correctly much of the time) results from the use of antibiotics. However, its danger to humans is also a result of non-exposure to animal strains early in life. A study in Germany a few years ago demonstrated that children who were raised on farms were resistant to the kinds of food-borne e coli that sometimes seriously afflict human populations. Little farm kids get it, but it’s milder with them if they get it early, and they acquire relative immunity. Because of that, I take care to ensure that my grandchildren spend time playing in my corrals. Interestingly, there are a number of human diseases that have cattle vectors.
It’s not so much that e coli is deadly. It’s pervasive in the environment and is massively present in every human alimentary tract. It’s the particular strain that can be problematic. I believe the outbreaks last summer were due to irrigation water on vegetables that was contaminated with human feces. Because the vegetables came from Mexico, it is likely a local variant strain.
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That_one_guy
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Monday, December 22, 2008
Holy Father’s Christmas Address to the Roman Curia
Poiché la fede nel Creatore è una parte essenziale del Credo cristiano, la Chiesa non può e non deve limitarsi a trasmettere ai suoi fedeli soltanto il messaggio della salvezza. Essa ha una responsabilità per il creato e deve far valere questa responsabilità anche in pubblico. E facendolo deve difendere non solo la terra, l’acqua e l’aria come doni della creazione appartenenti a tutti. Deve proteggere anche l’uomo contro la distruzione di se stesso. È necessario che ci sia qualcosa come una ecologia dell’uomo, intesa nel senso giusto. Non è una metafisica superata, se la Chiesa parla della natura dell’essere umano come uomo e donna e chiede che quest’ordine della creazione venga rispettato. Qui si tratta di fatto della fede nel Creatore e dell’ascolto del linguaggio della creazione, il cui disprezzo sarebbe un’autodistruzione dell’uomo e quindi una distruzione dell’opera stessa di Dio. Ciò che spesso viene espresso ed inteso con il termine “gender”, si risolve in definitiva nella autoemancipazione dell’uomo dal creato e dal Creatore. L’uomo vuole farsi da solo e disporre sempre ed esclusivamente da solo ciò che lo riguarda. Ma in questo modo vive contro la verità, vive contro lo Spirito creatore. Le foreste tropicali meritano, sì, la nostra protezione, ma non la merita meno l’uomo come creatura, nella quale è iscritto un messaggio che non significa contraddizione della nostra libertà, ma la sua condizione. Grandi teologi della Scolastica hanno qualificato il matrimonio, cioè il legame per tutta la vita tra uomo e donna, come sacramento della creazione, che lo stesso Creatore ha istituito e che Cristo – senza modificare il messaggio della creazione – ha poi accolto nella storia della salvezza come sacramento della nuova alleanza. Fa parte dell’annuncio che la Chiesa deve recare la testimonianza in favore dello Spirito creatore presente nella natura nel suo insieme e in special modo nella natura dell’uomo, creato ad immagine di Dio. Partendo da questa prospettiva occorrerebbe rileggere l’Enciclica Humanae vitae: l’intenzione di Papa Paolo VI era di difendere l’amore contro la sessualità come consumo, il futuro contro la pretesa esclusiva del presente e la natura dell’uomo contro la sua manipolazione.
Which means
As the faith in the Creator is an essential part of the Christian Creed, the Church can not and should not be confined to convey to his people only the message of salvation. It has a responsibility for creation and must rely on this responsibility even in public. And he must defend not only the land, water and air as gifts of creation belong to everyone. It must also protect humans against the destruction of himself.It is necessary that there is something like an ecology of man, understood in the right direction. It is not a metaphysical exceeded, if the Church speaks of the nature of man as man and woman, and calls for the creation of this order is respected. This is in fact of faith in the Creator, given the language of creation, which would be self-contempt and then destruction of the work of God . This is often expressed and understood by the term ‘gender’, is ultimately resolved in the creation of self-empowerment and the Creator. The man wants to be alone and have always and exclusively alone what he is concerned. But living in this way against the truth, lives against the Creator Spirit. Tropical forests deserve, yes, our protection, but no less worthy man as a creature, which is writing a message that does not contradict of our freedom, but his condition. Great theologians have qualified Scolastica marriage, that is the link for life for men and women, as the sacrament of creation, that the Creator has established and that Christ - without changing the message of creation - he received in the history of salvation as the sacrament of the new alliance. It belongs to the announcement that the Church must bear witness to the Creator Spirit in nature as a whole and especially in the nature of man, created in the image of God.Starting from this perspective should be re-read the encyclical Humanae Vitae: the intention of Pope Paul VI was the love of defending against sexuality as consumption, the future against the alleged exclusivity of the present and the nature of man against his handling.
I used a website to translate it because I don’t speak Italian.
If you have men who will exclude any of God’s creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow men.
St. Francis of Assisi
Holy Father’s Christmas Address to the Roman Curia
Poiché la fede nel Creatore è una parte essenziale del Credo cristiano, la Chiesa non può e non deve limitarsi a trasmettere ai suoi fedeli soltanto il messaggio della salvezza. Essa ha una responsabilità per il creato e deve far valere questa responsabilità anche in pubblico. E facendolo deve difendere non solo la terra, l’acqua e l’aria come doni della creazione appartenenti a tutti. Deve proteggere anche l’uomo contro la distruzione di se stesso. È necessario che ci sia qualcosa come una ecologia dell’uomo, intesa nel senso giusto. Non è una metafisica superata, se la Chiesa parla della natura dell’essere umano come uomo e donna e chiede che quest’ordine della creazione venga rispettato. Qui si tratta di fatto della fede nel Creatore e dell’ascolto del linguaggio della creazione, il cui disprezzo sarebbe un’autodistruzione dell’uomo e quindi una distruzione dell’opera stessa di Dio. Ciò che spesso viene espresso ed inteso con il termine “gender”, si risolve in definitiva nella autoemancipazione dell’uomo dal creato e dal Creatore. L’uomo vuole farsi da solo e disporre sempre ed esclusivamente da solo ciò che lo riguarda. Ma in questo modo vive contro la verità, vive contro lo Spirito creatore. Le foreste tropicali meritano, sì, la nostra protezione, ma non la merita meno l’uomo come creatura, nella quale è iscritto un messaggio che non significa contraddizione della nostra libertà, ma la sua condizione. Grandi teologi della Scolastica hanno qualificato il matrimonio, cioè il legame per tutta la vita tra uomo e donna, come sacramento della creazione, che lo stesso Creatore ha istituito e che Cristo – senza modificare il messaggio della creazione – ha poi accolto nella storia della salvezza come sacramento della nuova alleanza. Fa parte dell’annuncio che la Chiesa deve recare la testimonianza in favore dello Spirito creatore presente nella natura nel suo insieme e in special modo nella natura dell’uomo, creato ad immagine di Dio. Partendo da questa prospettiva occorrerebbe rileggere l’Enciclica Humanae vitae: l’intenzione di Papa Paolo VI era di difendere l’amore contro la sessualità come consumo, il futuro contro la pretesa esclusiva del presente e la natura dell’uomo contro la sua manipolazione.
Which means
As the faith in the Creator is an essential part of the Christian Creed, the Church can not and should not be confined to convey to his people only the message of salvation. It has a responsibility for creation and must rely on this responsibility even in public. And he must defend not only the land, water and air as gifts of creation belong to everyone. It must also protect humans against the destruction of himself.It is necessary that there is something like an ecology of man, understood in the right direction. It is not a metaphysical exceeded, if the Church speaks of the nature of man as man and woman, and calls for the creation of this order is respected. This is in fact of faith in the Creator, given the language of creation, which would be self-contempt and then destruction of the work of God . This is often expressed and understood by the term ‘gender’, is ultimately resolved in the creation of self-empowerment and the Creator. The man wants to be alone and have always and exclusively alone what he is concerned. But living in this way against the truth, lives against the Creator Spirit. Tropical forests deserve, yes, our protection, but no less worthy man as a creature, which is writing a message that does not contradict of our freedom, but his condition. Great theologians have qualified Scolastica marriage, that is the link for life for men and women, as the sacrament of creation, that the Creator has established and that Christ - without changing the message of creation - he received in the history of salvation as the sacrament of the new alliance. It belongs to the announcement that the Church must bear witness to the Creator Spirit in nature as a whole and especially in the nature of man, created in the image of God.Starting from this perspective should be re-read the encyclical Humanae Vitae: the intention of Pope Paul VI was the love of defending against sexuality as consumption, the future against the alleged exclusivity of the present and the nature of man against his handling.
I used a website to translate it because I don’t speak Italian.
If you have men who will exclude any of God’s creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow men.
St. Francis of Assisi
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Ruthie
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Here’s a better translation:
Heart of Jesus, King and center of all hearts, have mercy on us.
Ruthie
Heart of Jesus, King and center of all hearts, have mercy on us.
Ruthie
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That_one_guy
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I tried to use your translation,Ruthie.But,it just came up as a bunch of HTML.
In brief, the Pope is reminding us that the Church has a responsibility for creation.This is the Stewardship with the Earth which we are charged. However, this isn’t only about protecting the environment - we are also called to develop an “ecology of man” whereby we stop ourselves from destroying ourselves.Much of our destruction is coming from the factory farming techniques and consequent pollutions associated with the waste generated from these factory farms.Central to this understanding of humanity is the Church’s recognition of the relationship between man and woman. The reduction of ‘gender’ to the status of a social construct is to ignore God’s plan and the fact that God speaks to us through creation - man being the image of God, for example, and the analogy between marriage and the covenant.Implying a sort of marriage covenant with the planet.Not to anthropomorphorize the planet.But,more so to recognize our dependence on it,and the animal kingdom whether as companions or as a resource.
With all this being kept in mind,will the Catholic church take the lead in the environmental movement?I,for one,would enjoy the irony of a notoriously conservative group stepping on the toes of the neo-pagans and extreme left by hi-jacking their cause!!
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puppypatrol
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Genesis 1 : 26 - 31
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Then God said: “Let us make man in our image, after our likeness. Let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, the birds of the air, and the cattle, and over all the wild animals and all the creatures that crawl on the ground.”
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God created man in his image; in the divine image he created him; male and female he created them.
28
God blessed them, saying: “Be fertile and multiply; fill the earth and subdue it. Have dominion over the fish of the sea, the birds of the air, and all the living things that move on the earth.”
29
God also said: “See, I give you every seed-bearing plant all over the earth and every tree that has seed-bearing fruit on it to be your food;
30
and to all the animals of the land, all the birds of the air, and all the living creatures that crawl on the ground, I give all the green plants for food.” And so it happened.
31
God looked at everything he had made, and he found it very good. Evening came, and morning followed–the sixth day.
Genesis 9 : 1 - 3
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God blessed Noah and his sons and said to them: "Be fertile and multiply and fill the earth.
2
Dread fear of you shall come upon all the animals of the earth and all the birds of the air, upon all the creatures that move about on the ground and all the fishes of the sea; into your power they are delivered.
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1Every creature that is alive shall be yours to eat; I give them all to you as I did the green plants.
26
Then God said: “Let us make man in our image, after our likeness. Let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, the birds of the air, and the cattle, and over all the wild animals and all the creatures that crawl on the ground.”
27
God created man in his image; in the divine image he created him; male and female he created them.
28
God blessed them, saying: “Be fertile and multiply; fill the earth and subdue it. Have dominion over the fish of the sea, the birds of the air, and all the living things that move on the earth.”
29
God also said: “See, I give you every seed-bearing plant all over the earth and every tree that has seed-bearing fruit on it to be your food;
30
and to all the animals of the land, all the birds of the air, and all the living creatures that crawl on the ground, I give all the green plants for food.” And so it happened.
31
God looked at everything he had made, and he found it very good. Evening came, and morning followed–the sixth day.
Genesis 9 : 1 - 3
1
God blessed Noah and his sons and said to them: "Be fertile and multiply and fill the earth.
2
Dread fear of you shall come upon all the animals of the earth and all the birds of the air, upon all the creatures that move about on the ground and all the fishes of the sea; into your power they are delivered.
3
1Every creature that is alive shall be yours to eat; I give them all to you as I did the green plants.
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ForMary
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We may not be running the farms or industries that create the pollution, but do we purchase products created by them?
Do we make sure that products we purchase are “Fair Trade” where workers rights and dignity is respected?
How many of us drive a car when mass-transit is available?
There are many ways we can help, starting with baby steps, but Catholic Social Justice (or Teaching, whichever) is something we should all be advocates of and include in all of the ministries we are involved in with our parishes.
Yes, we are stewards of God’s Creation, we are to serve in all ways, it is our obligation, not an opportunity to “feel good.”
**Tikkun olam **has been in the Jewish mishna long before Christianity and is not a “Law” but our responsibility as a society.
Do we make sure that products we purchase are “Fair Trade” where workers rights and dignity is respected?
How many of us drive a car when mass-transit is available?
There are many ways we can help, starting with baby steps, but Catholic Social Justice (or Teaching, whichever) is something we should all be advocates of and include in all of the ministries we are involved in with our parishes.
Yes, we are stewards of God’s Creation, we are to serve in all ways, it is our obligation, not an opportunity to “feel good.”
**Tikkun olam **has been in the Jewish mishna long before Christianity and is not a “Law” but our responsibility as a society.
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That_one_guy
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Saint Jerome
The eating of meat was unknown up to the big flood, but since the flood they have the strings and stinking juices of animal meat into our mouths, just as they threw in front of the grumbling sensual people in the desert. Jesus Christ, who appeared when the time had been fulfilled, has again joined the end with the beginning, so that it is no longer allowed for us to eat animal meat.
But,this is really off topic for this thread ,puppy.
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cathybramble
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puppypatrol
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Not really.
"27 God created man in his image; in the divine image he created him; male and female he created them. "
How would God treat the earth and his creatures? If we were created in “the divine image” doesn’t it make sense that we should treat them as He would?
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That_one_guy
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Well,of course it does.
I thought you were going for the meat eating angle.(several threads all sort of related,…sorry)
This is the very reason I started these threads in the first place.People seem to have decided that ‘DOMINION’ gives license to cruelty and neglect.Which,in turn leads to a sort of squalor in the way that food animals are raised.Which leads to environmental issues.
ALL of which could be seen as a sort of anthropomorphic culmination of the violence and depravity in the world. Spauline,in another thread just added an interesting post ,of which I will add a piece here.Because it seems relevant.
"Again, the other condition of mortal sin is the preferring of some created good instead of the uncreated good which is God.
The first depravity of mortal sin, therefore, is the total disregard of the Divine Truth and Will, which is the antithesis of Baptism. Why is it the antithesis of Baptism? Because in Baptism, the adult recipient says, “I have faith in what God has revealed and I desire to live in obedience to God.” And since the mortal sinner is saying I don’t want to obey God in this grave matter, they are therefore neglecting the principles of baptism in both cases: they do not care what God has revealed, and they do NOT want to His Will.
The other depravity of mortal sin is choosing the Creation over the Creator. This is the spiritual antithesis of Marriage. What do we mean? The Creation was given by God to us to convey spiritual meaning (especially the sacraments) and as a way to love God. The supreme sign of Creation and our ultimate calling or purpose is Marriage, for the faithful, self-giving and receiving love of spouses points to the ultimate marriage in heaven, when all the just shall marry God, the union of Christ and His Bride. Therefore, in mortal sin, the creature no longer desires the eternal union, or marriage, with God, but only desires the Creation for its own sake, and so, spiritually, the mortal sinner is a “fornicator with the Creation,” rather than a chaste bride of God."(color is my emphasis)
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As people of Faith, we are convinced that "the earth is the Lord’s and all it holds….We believe our response to global climate change should be a sign of our respect for God’s creation. (Global Climate Change: A Plea for Dialogue, Prudence and the Common Good, US Catholic Bishops, 2001)
Today, our Catholic community is addressing more consistently and faithfully how to protect God’s creation and the environment that sustains the human family and all the earth. As Pope John Paul II said, “respect for life and for the dignity of the human person extends also to the rest of creation, which is called to join man in praising God.” We show our respect for our Creator by our care for His creation.
During his angelus address on August 27, 2006, Pope Benedict XVI called for a commitment to care for creation. He said creation is "exposed to serious risks by life choices and lifestyles that can degrade it. In particular, he said, “environmental degradation makes the lives of the poor especially unbearable.”
As Catholics, we have a unique opportunity and responsibility to make a difference in addressing the potential impacts of global climate change, particularly on those least able to bear its burdens.
Pope Benedict XVI called us to defend and safeguard creation. “In dialogue with Christians of various churches, we need to commit ourselves to caring for the created world, without squandering its resources, and sharing them in a cooperative way,” he insisted.
usccb.org/sdwp/ejp/climate/
Today, our Catholic community is addressing more consistently and faithfully how to protect God’s creation and the environment that sustains the human family and all the earth. As Pope John Paul II said, “respect for life and for the dignity of the human person extends also to the rest of creation, which is called to join man in praising God.” We show our respect for our Creator by our care for His creation.
During his angelus address on August 27, 2006, Pope Benedict XVI called for a commitment to care for creation. He said creation is "exposed to serious risks by life choices and lifestyles that can degrade it. In particular, he said, “environmental degradation makes the lives of the poor especially unbearable.”
As Catholics, we have a unique opportunity and responsibility to make a difference in addressing the potential impacts of global climate change, particularly on those least able to bear its burdens.
Pope Benedict XVI called us to defend and safeguard creation. “In dialogue with Christians of various churches, we need to commit ourselves to caring for the created world, without squandering its resources, and sharing them in a cooperative way,” he insisted.
usccb.org/sdwp/ejp/climate/
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