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does anyone know when the first case of stigmata occured and by whom,

and what is it supposed to mean,one orthodox christian said to me once that why would God put his saint through that kind of pain,or is it painless for them?
 
Ghost said:
Hi

does anyone know when the first case of stigmata occured and by whom,

and what is it supposed to mean,one orthodox christian said to me once that why would God put his saint through that kind of pain,or is it painless for them?
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The first was St Francis of Assisi.
 
I have a DVD of a girl who has stigmata of the hands, feet and forehead. She seems to feel some pain, but I couldn’t tell you how much. It seemed to be for just short time only when it comes from the forehead. She can feel the crown of thorns.
 
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I have a DVD of a girl who has stigmata of the hands, feet and forehead. She seems to feel some pain, but I couldn’t tell you how much. It seemed to be for just short time only when it comes from the forehead. She can feel the crown of thorns.
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Did you shoot this video?
 
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what is it supposed to mean,one orthodox christian said to me once that why would God put his saint through that kind of pain,or is it painless for them?
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I believe it is a sign that the person is united with Christ on the cross in a special way. It ties in with our call to suffer with Him (Rom 8:17, Phil 3:10, 1 Pet 2:20-21, 1 Pet 4:13, etc…)
 
Ghost said:
Hi

does anyone know when the first case of stigmata occured and by whom,

and what is it supposed to mean,one orthodox christian said to me once that why would God put his saint through that kind of pain,or is it painless for them?
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I remember reading once that someone had asked St. (Padre) Pio if his stigmata hurt. The good Padre responded something to the effect of, “It’s not for decoration!”

I would take that to mean that yes, it did hurt!

My favorite Saint, St. Gemma, was also blessed with the gift of the stigmata. From her own words:
Then, on the evening of June 8, 1899, while she prayed with Jesus in his sufferings, the Blessed Mother appeared to Gemma and spoke of the grace she was to receive. She described what took place in her own words:
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“At that moment Jesus appeared with all his wounds open, but from these wounds there no longer came forth blood, but flames of fire. In an instant these flames came to touch my hands, my feet and my heart. I felt as if I were dying, and should have fallen to the ground had not my mother held me up, while all the time I remained beneath her mantle. I had to remain several hours in that position. Finally she kissed my forehead, all vanished, and I found myself kneeling. But I still felt great pain in my hands, feet and heart. I rose to go to bed, and became aware that blood was flowing from those parts where I felt pain. I covered them as well as I could, and then helped by my Angel, I was able to go to bed … .”
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During the remainder of Gemma’s life, many witnessed this recurring miracle of the holy stigmata.
passionist.org/about/passionisthistory/saintsandblesseds/stgemmagalgani
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The question *“why would God put his saint through that kind of pain” * reveals lack of understanding about the stigmata… inverted thinking, if you will.

It’s not that God wants to inflict pain on His Saint, it’s that God’s Saint is so overpoweringly in love with Him that he or she desires to be totally united to Christ, to be conformed to Him in every way, to share in His sufferings out of love for Him and for all of humanity… and God sees that love and accepts that love and enters into a relationship which can only be likened to a marital relationship and says “Become one with My Flesh. Flesh of My Flesh and bone of My Bone. Be united as one with Me, My Beloved.”

Stigmata is a gift of love responding to Love, and Love responding to love.
 
There is some that hypothesis St Paul may have suffered from the stigmata.

(See “They bore the wounds of Christ” )
 
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No I did meet the person who had witness the girl with the stigmata. Not only does she have stigmata put receives milk in the hands and mouth from Blessed Mother Mary. This happened in India.
 
MarcoPolo said:
I believe it is a sign that the person is united with Christ on the cross in a special way. It ties in with our call to suffer with Him (Rom 8:17, Phil 3:10, 1 Pet 2:20-21, 1 Pet 4:13, etc…)
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Not necessarily, there has been cases in which the alleged stigmatic had spout heretical teachings.

In His love…

Catholic Deacon
 
Ghost said:
Hi

does anyone know when the first case of stigmata occured and by whom,

and what is it supposed to mean,one orthodox christian said to me once that why would God put his saint through that kind of pain,or is it painless for them?
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I can’t say who the first was, but Padre Pio is most likely the most recent example. While it’s unknown if and how much he suffered from the wounds of the stigmata (he was always coy about discussing the pain of his holy wounds) it IS known that he suffered great pain during several demonic attacks upon his person…
 
Interesting point to note. Although St Francis’ stigmata is not the only one the Church believes to be genuine (e.g Padre Pio) the stigmata of St Francis is the only one officially declared by the Church to be genuine.
 
why was there no stigmata cases for over 1000 years before St Francis
in either the east or the west,i know we cant answer for God but the church was around for a long time before St Francis and it seems strange or odd for there to be no cases.
 
Ghost said:
why was there no stigmata cases for over 1000 years before St Francis
in either the east or the west,i know we cant answer for God but the church was around for a long time before St Francis and it seems strange or odd for there to be no cases.
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You mean there were no RECORDED cases. There’s no reason why every case would be recorded - some probably aren’t even these days. Not everyone gets visible stigmata either - one of the Saints (I think it was St Rita of Cascia) had INVISIBLE stigmata that were painful for her but left no visible mark. And both St Francis and St Pio tried their hardest to keep the stigmata hidden - they weren’t for public purposes. I’m sure others have done the same and succeeded.
 
Catholicdeacon said:
Not necessarily, there has been cases in which the alleged stigmatic had spout heretical teachings.

In His love…

Catholic Deacon
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I meant authentic stigmata. The devil indeed will imitate a variety of miracles in hopes of destroying faith.
 
I recall reading that the first stigmatist *who was an ordained priest *was Padre Pio.

Nita
 
My mind is currently drawing a blank on the guys name but he was from Utah. I met him and he had stigmata. He said it definately hurt. When I went to one of his talks he would let you come up and see it. He would hold your rosary and it would smell like roses afterwards. I got in line to see him and when my turn came up I asked him if I could touch the wounds on his hands. He said yes but asked that I be gentle due to the pain. I touched the wounds and it felt like dried blood. This guy had seen many doctors when he first received the stigmata. He then went through a conversion and was receiving messages from our Blessed Mother. He was kind of scary to listen to as the news was not good as far as the future. He died a few months after I saw him. He was not church approved and I did not see him in the church but at a home. I do believe some parishes were allowing him to appear at the church but mine was not one of them. I know there are videos out there of him. He also would receive the wounds of scourging around Easter.

I AM A LITTLE TICKED I CANT REMEMBER HIS NAME.

When I remember the name I will post it in here. He had a website to. I believe it is still up. He was building a house of prayer in Utah.
 
When I was a teenager, I spent the summer in Germany with my parents to visit my relatives there. My parents’ hometown was not too far from where the Bavarian Stigmatist, Therese Neumann of Konnersreuth lived.

One day my parents, a cousin and I drove to Konnersreuth because my parents wished to meet Therese. We arrived in the town and went to the parish rectory where we met the priest and asked if we could meet Therese Neumann. The priest sent for her as she was out in the fields working. She was a simple country woman and did ordinary things.

Anyway, she came soon after and we were introduced. She showed us her hands where we could see the dried scab of blood about the size of a dime. My speaking German was not very good but I could understand the conversation. I wish now that I had asked questions but I was shy.

Therese gave us several holy cards, one of which she had signed. This was back in the early 1950’s. I think she died in the 1960’s… not sure. She is on the early stages of the canonization track.
 
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