Still curious about the assured salvation of the Fatima children

[DrawNearToGod]

As some here may know, Our Lady told the Fatima children they would go to heaven (Francesco with many roasries)

The Council Of Trent:

CANON XVI.-If any one saith, that he will for certain, of an absolute and infallible certainty, have that great gift of perseverance unto the end - unless he have learned this by special revelation; let him be anathema.

Now, some have said that normally, this promise of heaven would be license to sin for those who receive it, however logically it is assurance that they won’t persevere in sin. Thoughts?

 

[Annie]

Well, it was learned by special revelation, so it doesn’t fall under the heading of what the Council of Trent mentions, which was in response to Protestant teachings that Heaven was assured.

 

[DrawNearToGod]

Yeah I know, sorry I didn’t make it more clear, I’m mostly wondering about why it would be license to sin bc a guarantee of heaven is basically a guarantee of not persevering in sin

 

[Bon_Croix]

Where in the text does it mention license to sin? It does not.

The license is to forgiveness of sin. Via the Holy Spirit Jesus teaches the faithful. As they progress in practicing their Faith, which includes Faith in the Sacraments, the splinter is removed.

Catholics have the fullness of Faith in the Sacraments. Other denominations do not, so their splinter remains.

 

[AlbMagno]

I think that if Mary said that she knew they wouldn’t enter in a sin spree. it’s like the dogma on predestination, God already knows what happens, but we, from the other side of reality, freely choose it.

The difference here is that the children already know because they were told so, so it turns into some kind of promise, for them to keep sanctity. God and Mary probably knew they would keep this promise.

Besides, there is not thaaat many opportunities of mortal sins for little children living in a rural area.

 

[Annie]

I have only ever heard of this license to sin idea in the context of once saved; always saved theology.

For Catholics, prophecy is generally more about what the present trends are rather than it is about the outcome.

 

[DrawNearToGod]

Where in the text does it mention license to sin? It does not

Someone in my thread on this a couple months back said it was a license to sin and I wanted to refute that. Sorry I wasn’t clearer.

 

[DrawNearToGod]

For Catholics, prophecy is generally more about what the present trends are rather than it is about the outcome.

So if Mary came to you and said you’ll be a saint, it wouldnt be about the outcome but about the present trend?

 

[Genesis315]

Something tells me that those who receive such a special revelation tend not to be disposed to turning to a life of sin in the first place. God would not give them such a revelation if it would corrupt them. In fact, I think he would only give such a revelation if it would cause them to love Him and their neighbors even more.

 

[TheLittleLady]

In this private revelation, the children were not assured salvation. They were given “spoilers”, they were allowed to know the end of their own lives. God knows right now if I will get to heaven. He could give that knowledge through a private revelation.