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During mass, i do know that it is a commemoration of Jesus’ passion, death, and resurrection. When the priest elevates the host, I “see” our Lord crucified. Am I also supposed to “see” him die? Also , during what part of the mass does the commemoration of the Resurrection take place?
 
Average_Joe17 said:
During mass, i do know that it is a commemoration of Jesus’ passion, death, and resurrection. When the priest elevates the host, I “see” our Lord crucified. Am I also supposed to “see” him die? Also , during what part of the mass does the commemoration of the Resurrection take place?
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1391 Holy Communion augments our union with Christ. The principal fruit of receiving the Eucharist in Holy Communion is an intimate union with Christ Jesus. Indeed, the Lord said: "He who eats my flesh and drinks my blood abides in me, and I in him."226 Life in Christ has its foundation in the Eucharistic banquet: "As the living Father sent me, and I live because of the Father, so he who eats me will live because of me."227
On the feasts of the Lord, when the faithful receive the Body of the Son, they proclaim to one another the Good News that the first fruits of life have been given, as when the angel said to Mary Magdalene, “Christ is risen!” Now too are life and resurrection conferred on whoever receives Christ.228
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227 Jn 6:57.
228 Fanqith, Syriac Office of Antioch, Vol. I, Commun., 237a-b.
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And to answer your question about when do we commemorate the Resurrection:
After communion.

Some older Catholic books have whole lists of what the priest does when and what it symbolizes in the Passion of Christ. I’m looking for one online to post for you but have only found one from the Anglican Communion in the late 1800s. It’s probably the same as Catholic, but I would prefer to post a Catholic reference so I’ll keep looking.
It does however contain the classic line, “When the priest breaks the hoste, Jesus Christ gives up the ghost.”
 
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Average_Joe17 said:
Am I also supposed to “see” him die?
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I think he’s already dead, because the bread and wine are consecrated separately.
Average_Joe17 said:
Also , during what part of the mass does the commemoration of the Resurrection take place?
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When the priest puts a little piece of the bread (body) into the wine (blood). I think that’s done just after consecration.
 
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I believe Dom Prosper Gueranger’s books had something similar but I don’t think his works are online.
I actually didn’t realize all the symbolism till I read one of those books. It’s sad that Catholics my age were not taught that in school.
 
OK, I found a list online. It’s from a book containing the thoughts of Padre Pio on the Mass and it’s similar to what I have seen in other old Catholic Mass explanation books. It is describing the old Tridentine Mass (what we also call Extraordinary Form or Traditional Latin Mass) but the priest does most of these things in the Ordinary Form Mass in English as well.

I’m reposting the list here rather than just linking the page because the website it’s on has got other stuff associated with an unapproved private revelation on it and we’re not allowed to promote unapproved private revelations on the forum. This list is not from any private revelation, it’s standard Church explanation of the Mass the way it used to be taught pre-Vatican II.
  1. When the priest goes to the altar – Christ goes to the Olive Garden to pray.
  2. When the priest begins the Holy Mass – Christ prays in the Olive Garden.
  3. When the Priest says the Confiteor – Christ sweats blood and falls down on His face in the Garden.
  4. When the priest kisses the Altar – Judas, the traitor, betrays Christ with a kiss and delivers Him to the Jews.
  5. When the priest goes to the end of the Altar – Christ is brought to Annas.
  6. When the priest reads the Introit – the antiphon for the entrance – Christ is slapped in the house of Annas.
  7. When the priest says ”Lord have mercy upon us…” – Christ is brought to Caiphas and Peter denies Him.
  8. When the priest says: ”The Lord be with you…” – Christ looks at Peter and Peter converts.
  9. When the priest reads the Collect, the prayer before the reading of the Gospel – Christ is brought to Pilate, the Roman prefect.
  10. When the priest goes to the middle of the Altar – Christ is taken from Pilate to Herod.
  11. When the priest reads the Gospel – Christ is taken back from Herod to Pilate. The Judgment of Christ.
  12. When the priest uncovers the chalice – Christ is stripped of his garment.
  13. When the chalice sits uncovered on the Altar – Christ is scourged at the pillar.
  14. When the priest covers the chalice – Christ is crowned with a crown of thorns.
  15. When the priest washes his fingers – Pilate washes his hands to show that he is not responsible for the execution of Christ.
  16. When the priest says: ”Pray that my sacrifice…” – Pilate shows Christ to the people and says ”Behold the man”.
  17. When the priest says the prayer ”Holy, holy” before transubstantiation – Christ is condemned to death.
  18. When the priest prays for the living – Christ carries the cross outside of the city.
  19. When the priest holds his hands above the chalice – Veronica steps out towards Christ and wipes His face.
  20. When the priest blesses the bread and wine with the sign of the cross – Christ is nailed to the cross.
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  1. When the priest elevates the Host – Christ is raised on the cross.
  2. When the priest elevates the Chalice – Blood flows out of the wounds of Christ.
  3. When the priest prays for the dead – Christ on the cross prays quietly for mankind.
  4. When the priest says: ”Our Father…” – The seven words of Christ on the cross.
  5. When the priest breaks the Host in two parts – Christ dies on the cross.
  6. When the priest puts part of the Host into the Chalice – Christ descends into Hell (aka Sheol, Abraham’s bosom, Limbo of the Fathers) to open Heaven to the righteous dead.
  7. When the priest receives the Holy Communion – The burial of Christ.
  8. When the priest washes his fingers and hands after the Holy Communion – The body of Christ is anointed with precious oils.
  9. When the priest goes to the end of the Altar after the Holy Communion – Christ rises from the dead.
  10. When the priest says: ”The Lord be with you” – Christ appears to his disciples.
  11. When the priest reads the last prayer, Postcommunio – Christ stays with his disciples for forty days.
  12. When the priest says the last: ”The Lord be with you” – Christ ascends into heaven.
  13. When the priest gives the blessing – Christ sends down the Holy Spirit on the disciples.
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It is the risen and glorified Jesus Christ, as he is now in heaven, still bearing the marks of his passion, who is made substantially present at the consecration. If you choose to remember our Lord’s crucifixion when the priest elevates the Host, that’s great but it is not the dying Jesus who is really present but the risen Jesus.
 
I’ve seen multiple explanations of some of the steps too, like the priest washing his hands is a reference to some Bible verse that says we need to be purified before coming into God’s presence, etc. I prefer these old style ones though. Especially if St. Padre Pio liked them. I am one of his spiritual children, or at least I hope I am as I have asked him to accept me even though I wear trousers 🙂
 
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If you choose to remember our Lord’s crucifixion when the priest elevates the Host, that’s great but it is not the dying Jesus who is really present but the risen Jesus.
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Yes, that’s a good point.
We kinda went over that in the previous thread this OP started, asking a question more similar to that.
That’s why we’re not posting about that here.
 
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