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So when I put this up sometimes, people close the thread, which is rude because I never fully understood the answer. So please bear with me and lend me your assistance.

Questions:

-Compared to canon law 1249-1253 and what the USCCB says on fasting and abstinence, is penance required on Fridays, even though abstinence is gone basically? Look at the last section of the USCCB fasting and abstinence ruling.

-usccb.org/prayer-and-worship/liturgical-year/lent/questions-and-answers-about-lent.cfm

(Thus, such foods as chicken broth, consomme, soups cooked or flavored with meat, meat gravies or sauces, as well as seasonings or condiments made from animal fat are technically not forbidden. However, moral theologians have traditionally taught that we should abstain from all animal-derived products (except foods such as gelatin, butter, cheese and eggs, which do not have any meat taste). )

Now lets say I drink my vitamin juice and it includes some type of Vitamin that is derived from meat.

Is that okay to do, according to moral theologians, they disagree. So I am stuck and it sucks.

May ask another question later, kind of brain dead now so, night.

PLEASE DO NOT CLOSE THIS THREAD UNTIL I CAME TO AN UNDERSTANDING OF IT PLEASE
 
You need to sit down with your pastor and ask him these questions because faceless answers on a website don’t seem to be helping you.

But let me summarize:
  • There are only 2 days where fasting is required: Ash Wednesday and Good Friday.
  • Fasting is one full meal in a day and two snacks that don’t add up to a full meal.
  • On Ash Wednesday and all Fridays in Lent you can’t eat meat.
  • Regardless of what theologians have taught through the years, today, in 2015, the church says you can eat eggs, butter, milk, cheese, broth made from meat, gravy, etc. You can be stricter for yourself if you wish but the Church does not impose it. Your vitamin drink is fine.
  • The original document lifting the obligation to abstain from meat under pain of sin on Fridays outside of Lent said that we should still do penance, but did not impose any particular penance on us. You can choose your own penance. If this is proving too difficult for your conscience, just don’t eat meat. It’s the simplest solution to all your questions you’ll be following the tradition of centuries.
 
Ilovejesus1234 said:
So when I put this up sometimes, people close the thread, which is rude because I never fully understood the answer. So please bear with me and lend me your assistance.

Questions:

-Compared to canon law 1249-1253 and what the USCCB says on fasting and abstinence, is penance required on Fridays, even though abstinence is gone basically? Look at the last section of the USCCB fasting and abstinence ruling.

-usccb.org/prayer-and-worship/liturgical-year/lent/questions-and-answers-about-lent.cfm

(Thus, such foods as chicken broth, consomme, soups cooked or flavored with meat, meat gravies or sauces, as well as seasonings or condiments made from animal fat are technically not forbidden. However, moral theologians have traditionally taught that we should abstain from all animal-derived products (except foods such as gelatin, butter, cheese and eggs, which do not have any meat taste). )

Now lets say I drink my vitamin juice and it includes some type of Vitamin that is derived from meat.

Is that okay to do, according to moral theologians, they disagree. So I am stuck and it sucks.

May ask another question later, kind of brain dead now so, night.

PLEASE DO NOT CLOSE THIS THREAD UNTIL I CAME TO AN UNDERSTANDING OF IT PLEASE
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Phemie is absolutely correct in her summary. That’s all you need to know.

Also what is it you do not understand. You have been told what fasting means. You have been told what abstaining from meat means (in other words what is not allowed and what is allowed). Just obey.
 
Also, since you’re in RCIA, this is good to ask the Director.
This has been answered fully, and often.
If still not clear, it’s always OK to the your priest.
 
Phemie said:
You need to sit down with your pastor and ask him these questions because faceless answers on a website don’t seem to be helping you.

But let me summarize:
  • There are only 2 days where fasting is required: Ash Wednesday and Good Friday.
  • Fasting is one full meal in a day and two snacks that don’t add up to a full meal.
  • On Ash Wednesday and all Fridays in Lent you can’t eat meat.
  • Regardless of what theologians have taught through the years, today, in 2015, the church says you can eat eggs, butter, milk, cheese, broth made from meat, gravy, etc. You can be stricter for yourself if you wish but the Church does not impose it. Your vitamin drink is fine.
  • The original document lifting the obligation to abstain from meat under pain of sin on Fridays outside of Lent said that we should still do penance, but did not impose any particular penance on us. You can choose your own penance. If this is proving too difficult for your conscience, just don’t eat meat. It’s the simplest solution to all your questions you’ll be following the tradition of centuries.
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This is the perfect explanation…the OP has no worries if this is followed. As Pianistclare said, “If still not clear, it’s always OK to ask your priest.”
 
A local Church Pastor posted in the weekly bulletin March 1, 2015: The Church’s position on what is and what is not considered meat when we abstain from meat on Friday’s during Lent Here it is: “Meat does not include eggs, milk products or condiments made of animal fat. It does not include meat juices and liquid foods made from meat. Thus, such foods as chicken broth, consommé, soups cooked or flavored with meat, meat gravies and sauces, as well as seasonings or condiments made from animal fat are not forbidden. So it is permissible to use margarine and lard. Even bacon drippings which contain little bits of meat may be poured over lettuce as seasoning.”
 
Moral theologians are moral theologians. While some bishops are also moral theologians, the reverse is not necessarily true. The job of the moral theologian is to discuss and debate, raise questions, and propose potential answers.

The role of the bishops, in college and in union with the Pope is to consider the opinions of the moral theologian, meditate and pray about the issue, and through the grace afford them through the fullness of the sacrament of orders, with the help of the Holy Spirit, determine the way to shepherd the flock.

This is why moral theologians may publish opinions, but it is for the Magisterium to teach the faithful.

You are obligated to keep the disciplines of fasting and abstinence as proscribed by your bishop. You may choose a more austere form, but it is not required. The rules for fasting and abstinence fall under the category of man made law, and can be modified or dispensed with at the discretion of the Church.
 
acadiANNA said:
A local Church Pastor posted in the weekly bulletin March 1, 2015: The Church’s position on what is and what is not considered meat when we abstain from meat on Friday’s during Lent Here it is: “Meat does not include eggs, milk products or condiments made of animal fat. It does not include meat juices and liquid foods made from meat. Thus, such foods as chicken broth, consommé, soups cooked or flavored with meat, meat gravies and sauces, as well as seasonings or condiments made from animal fat are not forbidden. So it is permissible to use margarine and lard. Even bacon drippings which contain little bits of meat may be poured over lettuce as seasoning.”
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I cannot agree with this ! Milk & eggs were never considered to be 'meat '…even my 4 yr. old grandson knows that!

But…meat gravies and sauces & “bacon drippings which contain little bits of meat may be poured over lettuce as seasoning.” Come on …:rolleyes: Where does it stop? Why bother fasting or abstaining? Are people such babies that they can’t give up bacon bits for a few days during Lent?
 
truetofaith said:
Good Friday is still a Friday in Lent. It’s already covered!
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It is not…
  1. The forty days of lent run from Ash Wednesday up to but excluding the Mass of the Lord’s Supper exclusive.
(Universal Norms on the Liturgical Year and the General Roman Calendar)

Good Friday is a day of fast and abstinence (but is not part of Lent)
 
Ilovejesus1234 said:
Is that okay to do, according to moral theologians, they disagree. So I am stuck and it sucks.
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The bishops set the rules, not theologians. So you’re not stuck: follow the regulations set by the bishops.

If you want to do more, you may. But that’s your choice, not a requirement.

Easy peasy.
 
Bookcat said:
And Good Friday (I understand you were simply including it in Lent- but just for clarity)
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You’re correct, I should have either specifically named it or said all Fridays between Ash Wednesday and Easter.
 
Ilovejesus1234 said:
… However, moral theologians have traditionally taught that we should abstain from all animal-derived products (except foods such as gelatin, butter, cheese and eggs, which do not have any meat taste). )

Now lets say I drink my vitamin juice and it includes some type of Vitamin that is derived from meat.

Is that okay to do, according to moral theologians, they disagree. …
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Note that a vitamin may be derived from meat, and does not have any meat taste like gelatin, butter, cheese, eggs, which moral theologians have taught are alright to eat.
 
truetofaith said:
I cannot agree with this ! Milk & eggs were never considered to be 'meat '…even my 4 yr. old grandson knows that!

But…meat gravies and sauces & “bacon drippings which contain little bits of meat may be poured over lettuce as seasoning.” Come on …:rolleyes: Where does it stop? Why bother fasting or abstaining? Are people such babies that they can’t give up bacon bits for a few days during Lent?
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I believe the quote comes from the USCCB website, at least in part, but maybe all of it.
 
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