Stimulants

[Steven_John]

What is the position of your religion / community on stimulants.
Are you allowed to take amphetamines? Does it become ok if a medical practitioner advises you to? Does the practitioner need to be of your religion?

Are you allowed to take caffeine? If you are allowed does it have to be in the form of drinks ie tea, coffee, soft drinks? or are pills and powders also allowed?

Is there scripture that supports or inspires your religions position? are there other writings or people that instruct your religions position?

If you are allowed caffeine but not amphetamines can you explain the rational of the difference?

appreciate you time in sharing with me

God bless you and yours

 

[JonNC]

What is the position of your religion / community on stimulants.
Are you allowed to take amphetamines? Does it become ok if a medical practitioner advises you to? Does the practitioner need to be of your religion?

Are you allowed to take caffeine? If you are allowed does it have to be in the form of drinks ie tea, coffee, soft drinks? or are pills and powders also allowed?

Is there scripture that supports or inspires your religions position? are there other writings or people that instruct your religions position?

If you are allowed caffeine but not amphetamines can you explain the rational of the difference?

appreciate you time in sharing with me

God bless you and yours

Lutheran parishes are quite known to have caffeine delivery systems - coffee makers.
Like any other drug, amphetamines have their place, subject to the learned decision of a doctor. And no, a doctor does not have to be Lutheran. In fact, the only one whose communion I know for sure is my eye doctor - she’s Lutheran. The others I’ve never asked.

Jon

 

[momor]

Amphetamines (narcotics too) prescribed by a doctor (any or no religion is fine) for a legitimate medical condition and taken AS PRESCRIBED are not sinful.

Caffeinated beverages are fine in moderation. Taking a No-Doze pill because the baby kept you awake and you have to go to work is OK once in a while.

 

[Steven_John]

Is it ok to take Amphetamines without a doctor in the same circumstances as the no doze?

Are amphetamines instead of coffee ok in moderation?

 

[Steven_John]

Lutheran parishes are quite known to have caffeine delivery systems - coffee makers.
Like any other drug, amphetamines have their place, subject to the learned decision of a doctor. And no, a doctor does not have to be Lutheran. In fact, the only one whose communion I know for sure is my eye doctor - she’s Lutheran. The others I’ve never asked.

Jon

hi Jon thats cool your eye doctor can help you see in both ways LOL.

Are amphetamines without a doctor ok or are seen different to coffee and why and what is the source of the teaching?

Lutherans are very pleasing to me i see lots of light through those i know and think your founder was very cool in his early days and got a bum deal so to speak. I also beleive God though him did much good for Catholics. I thank God.

 

[SteveVH]

What is the position of your religion / community on stimulants.
Are you allowed to take amphetamines? Does it become ok if a medical practitioner advises you to? Does the practitioner need to be of your religion?

Are you allowed to take caffeine? If you are allowed does it have to be in the form of drinks ie tea, coffee, soft drinks? or are pills and powders also allowed?

Is there scripture that supports or inspires your religions position? are there other writings or people that instruct your religions position?

If you are allowed caffeine but not amphetamines can you explain the rational of the difference?

appreciate you time in sharing with me

God bless you and yours

Like any drug, there are legitimate uses and then there are abuses. Drug abuse is certainly forbidden by every Christian religion I know of, and most, if not all, non-Christian religions. The same could be said of alcohol. We are not allowed to damage our bodies and our minds. We are allowed to use drugs to heal us.

 

[kenofken]

Is it ok to take Amphetamines without a doctor in the same circumstances as the no doze?

Are amphetamines instead of coffee ok in moderation?

On a moral basis I’m not sure. I think for Catholics it would drift into sin territory by virtue of its being an illegal drug at that point. Medically speaking, an occaisional amphetamine is not terribly harmful for otherwise healthy people. The problem is that people who would take an upper to get through a rough spot tend to have rough spots 7 days a week in one form or another, and it’s a habit that can easily get away from you.

 

[Steven_John]

In reflection my reason for asking about doctors needing to be believers or not is because amphetamines are oft prescribed based on the behaviours described without any medical testing.
A non believing Doctor does not understand humans in the same way as believers.
IMO it would be better if religious groups would ask for seeking the examination of the person perceived to be in need of medical prescription by two brethren before allowing the intervention of a doctor.
Sin in my life has real behavioural consequences, a doctor would have a lesser understanding of this and those closest to the person have a lot more than 10 minute windows to help understand that person.

Bless ya

 

[Steven_John]

Like any drug, there are legitimate uses and then there are abuses. Drug abuse is certainly forbidden by every Christian religion I know of, and most, if not all, non-Christian religions. The same could be said of alcohol. We are not allowed to damage our bodies and our minds. We are allowed to use drugs to heal us.

Hi steve, the legitimate use of caffeine vs amphetamine would they be the same? as both have the same effect.
Bless ya

 

[Steven_John]

On a moral basis I’m not sure. I think for Catholics it would drift into sin territory by virtue of its being an illegal drug at that point. Medically speaking, an occaisional amphetamine is not terribly harmful for otherwise healthy people. The problem is that people who would take an upper to get through a rough spot tend to have rough spots 7 days a week in one form or another, and it’s a habit that can easily get away from you.

Thats a well founded answer, but for guidance from the secular world is not the best basis for a believer as the majority rule, ie abortion is ok.
The Catholic understanding should preceded the laws of the secular world not be defined by it.
Even if we agree to follow the majority if it is not against Catholic teaching.

The secular world and my understanding of the Catholic church is caffeine is ok but like amphetamines it does the same thing and they are out.
bless ya

 

[Steven_John]

. The problem is that people who would take an upper to get through a rough spot tend to have rough spots 7 days a week in one form or another, and it’s a habit that can easily get away from you.

Amen,
i know a Pentecostal pastor who encouraged a coffee bar at his fellowship but cant start his day with out one.
Many believers i know have real trouble going without tea or coffee for 40days.
I have met occasional Amphetamine users that are told you have to stop that if you are really a believer.
I dont comment to the amphetamine user like this but to ask them how is God with that?
But i did buy the pastor a coffee a machine for home and some decaff as like me he reckons deacff instant does not taste nice.
He still seeks caffine even when offered decaff.

how difficult we make things of dependence that includes me.
Bless ya

 

[Sufjon]

What is the position of your religion / community on stimulants.
Are you allowed to take amphetamines? Does it become ok if a medical practitioner advises you to? Does the practitioner need to be of your religion?

Are you allowed to take caffeine? If you are allowed does it have to be in the form of drinks ie tea, coffee, soft drinks? or are pills and powders also allowed?

Is there scripture that supports or inspires your religions position? are there other writings or people that instruct your religions position?

If you are allowed caffeine but not amphetamines can you explain the rational of the difference?

appreciate you time in sharing with me

God bless you and yours

Hi Steven John - it’s good to hear from you again. If your question is directed at all religions, then I can answer for mine (somewhat). We drink a lot of tea, but if you practice certain disciplines, then no stimulants would be allowed. I drink tea and coffee, but I’m not the best example.

Your friend
Sufjon

 

[SteveVH]

Hi steve, the legitimate use of caffeine vs amphetamine would they be the same? as both have the same effect.
Bless ya

I drink coffee for the most part because I like the taste. If one is drinking mass amounts of coffee just for the buzz, I think they have a problem as well as it could be damaging to your mind and body. The use of amphetamines is purely for the effect of the drug and I would disagree that it has the same affect as a cup of coffee. I’ve experienced both.

A glass of wine can be relaxing. Five shots of vodka is another story. If you are using anything purely to alter your natural state then I would say you have a problem.

I assume there is some spiritual aspect to your question but I’m not sure what it is. Maybe you could explain.

 

[momor]

Is it ok to take Amphetamines without a doctor in the same circumstances as the no doze?

**No. You would actually be compounding the sin - by how you took them and also by how you obtained them (Illegal without a prescription).
**

Are amphetamines instead of coffee ok in moderation?

**No. A doctor would not write a prescription for amphetamines to be used like coffee. They are not prescribed to give people a boost. It’s usually for sleep disorders like narcolepsy or for attention deficit.

Regarding your question about the doctor being the same religion as the patient: It would not be required of Catholics. Catholics can take amphetamines for all the same reasons as anyone else.
**

 

[Steven_John]

Hi Steven John - it’s good to hear from you again. If your question is directed at all religions, then I can answer for mine (somewhat). We drink a lot of tea, but if you practice certain disciplines, then no stimulants would be allowed. I drink tea and coffee, but I’m not the best example.

Your friend
Sufjon

peace and blessings, lovely to hear from you again.
Spicy tea i guess.
IMO you are right to speak of tea and coffee as stimulants. They bring unnatural states of being.
Bless you

 

[Steven_John]

I drink coffee for the most part because I like the taste.

then move to decaff as you can get the same tasted in decaff by water hydration i think is the process.

If one is drinking mass amounts of coffee just for the buzz, I think they have a problem as well as it could be damaging to your mind and body. The use of amphetamines is purely for the effect of the drug and I would disagree that it has the same affect as a cup of coffee. I’ve experienced both.

Small amounts of coffee give a buzz unless you drink it regularly. A long time ago i tried white powders they called go. Except for quantities consumed it did the same to me as coffee does now that i have it rarely.
Like the poster who spoke of the person kept awake by the baby is when i have it, i just dont do 24hr days on my own steam.
BTW i have no personal interest in taking go

A glass of wine can be relaxing. Five shots of vodka is another story. If you are using anything purely to alter your natural state then I would say you have a problem.

I understand you but it brings the question of tolerance, i know people who 5 voka shots does very little, to some one who does not drink regular its a different ball game.
Same goes with coffee, get of it for three years and have one.

I considered i had a problem when i was drinking coffee daily, your statement, (and i am not having a go at you) suggests i did not have a problem but now do.
Given i now use it as a pick me up or keep me going. Such thought is not without merit, for me to reflect and grow from assuming i keep away from it always. Dont think taking it up as a habit that would bring me in line with your statement would be the best choice.
Blessings to you and yours

I assume there is some spiritual aspect to your question but I’m not sure what it is. Maybe you could explain.

 

[Steven_John]

Originally Posted by Steven John View Post
Is it ok to take Amphetamines without a doctor in the same circumstances as the no doze?

No. You would actually be compounding the sin - by how you took them and also by how you obtained them (Illegal without a prescription).

IMO that puts mans law first i was looking for the law of religion as the informer of the best laws for men

Are amphetamines instead of coffee ok in moderation?

No. A doctor would not write a prescription for amphetamines to be used like coffee. They are not prescribed to give people a boost. It’s usually for sleep disorders like narcolepsy or for attention deficit.

This is tied to my previous response and some doctors do, we have one in our parish who does. He has some fair seaming logic irrelevant to this thread. I agree no doctor should.

Regarding your question about the doctor being the same religion as the patient: It would not be required of Catholics. Catholics can take amphetamines for all the same reasons as anyone else.

Thanks for speaking for Catholic church as i asked.
A secular doctor did give me some tablets once to keep me awake he was looking at me in a clinical light not a moral one. Many doctors are very scientific in approach.

Bless you i appreciate your sharing with me.

 

[Steven_John]

If any one would like to i would like to know how much and how often you all take stimulants, how long you have been doing it and in your recent times what is the longest time you have been without them.

Bless ya

 

[Izdaari]

I use both caffeine and alcohol in moderation, and my (AoG) local church has no problem with that. I don’t imagine they’d have any problem with amphetamines by prescription, and I wouldn’t take them otherwise, though I’ve heard no specific guidance on that matter. I don’t smoke, but that’s personal choice, nothing to do with church. (Kissing a smoker really is like licking an ashtray).

 

[benidict]

I would have to say, 2 things are required in my line of work. Coffee and nicotine. It is my understanding that both are all right as long as they are not being abused. However, when I weigh the harm a cigarette or a cup of coffee can do to me, compared to a mortar round. honestly, I am not too concerned about the health effects of two of those. Not to mention, that some studies have pointed to caffeine use and nicotine use as being beneficial in prevention of alzheimers and parkinsons disease. So I will keep smoking and Drinking coffee thank you very kindly. Peace