Stock market crash?

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This is not a typical thread for this forums, but I thought I would mention it anyway.

I don’t know if other here follow the stock market, but it appears that are are poised for a potential crash tomorrow. The fundamentals have been indicating serious problems for a while, and when I just checked, the Dow futures were down 514 points, which is huge. I can’t remember ever seeing the dow futures down that much.

Not to make any predictions, but, since the world markets are so interconnected, maybe this will be the beginning of the financial collapse and the start of the physical chastisement so many people have been expecting. Time will tell… and it may tell soon than we expect.
 
Dang, looks like it might be time to pick up some bargins if ya ask me.
 
It would have been great to have OT prophets speaking about the direction of our economy today. I guess we’d have to decipher what they meant though as they seem always to speak in a language that most people can’t understand with multiple meanings.

No wait, we have that today. They’re called financial analysts. 😃
 
It would have been great to have OT prophets speaking about the direction of our economy today. I guess we’d have to decipher what they meant though as they seem always to speak in a language that most people can’t understand with multiple meanings.

No wait, we have that today. They’re called financial analysts. 😃
That’s me.

Short everything except Gold and oil.

It’s not the Apocalypse. It’s a good ol’ fashioned bear market.

peace
 
Yeh, i am much shorter this week compared to last week but for different reasons. 🙂

Well done mgrfin.

Next time.
 
Only time will tell, I am also following this on other boards. Everyone is getting nervous regardless of your political stances.
 
It’s not the end of the world. It’s called a bear market. It might even be another depression as opposed to a simple recession but even depressions come along about evry 70 years so what’s the big deal? We will survive. It will turn around.
 
It’s not the end of the world. It’s called a bear market. It might even be another depression as opposed to a simple recession but even depressions come along about evry 70 years so what’s the big deal? We will survive. It will turn around.
If it is a coming depression, the pendulum will probably swing back on the old New Deal policies to try to right things.
 
If it is a coming depression, the pendulum will probably swing back on the old New Deal policies to try to right things.
Different things work at different times. For minor recessions I definitely believe in supply side economics but for the tough ones let’s go back to the Keynesian model and try it again.
 
We very well may ‘crash’ but really, what is different today than was on Friday?

A sell off like this is pure emotion.
 
Does anyone remember October, 1987? There was roughly a 500 point drop when the Dow was only at 2400. This amounts to 20%. Yet we recovered. After 9/11 it fell from 10,000 or more to 7,000. A 30% drop. Yet we recovered. These things are cyclical folks. Stop predicting the chastisement. We aren’t supposed to know that. It’s supposed to catch us all by surprise.
 
A market like this is a trap for the unwary. If we are headed into a fairly severe recession, and it seems so, both gold and oil are on the edge of the cliff, and I wouldn’t buy them for anything.

There are a LOT of short sellers out there and, while some of them are going to make a lot of money, some of them are going to get caught. I suspect with the small caps anyway, they have been “hitting the bids”. That’s a big boy’s game. When you see some of these P/Es at historic lows and dividends at historic highs, it doesn’t making short selling look all that good to me.

Having said that, I don’t think we’ve seen the bottom. There’s panic in the air. No question about it. Still, for those with cash, this is an excellent buying opportunity.
 
yeah yeah most of the people in the market today including the brokers did not live through 1987, or 1981, or 1974, or don’t remember it if the date. the nature of the market is cyclical and volatile, and if that bothers investors they should buy bonds.
 
Hey! Hey! Hey! People! Stop! :eek:

Take a look around and see the sinfulness/violence/oppression inherent in the system.

The market crashes - millions of people lose their savings, their jobs and their homes. What should be our reaction to this?

a) Support them, help them to rebuild their lives and work together to build an economic system that is stable and prevents these kinds of terrible disasters.

or

b) Get in there and grab it all while it’s going cheap! Rock bottom prices, bound to be a good long-term investment. Sod the little guy.

A or B?

A… or B?

It’s obvious which one our current economic system wants, requires and expects us to do. And that’s what’s so wrong with run-away free-market capital, you close your eyes for a second, and it runs away! 👋
 
I personally think a recession started about 6 months ago. I don’t feel they can go by the indicators of yesteryear. Everything about this country has changed with most of the mfg being out of this country. Inflation numbers don’t include energy and food. Fed hasn’t released spending numbers since 2003. Even if it is a recession, we are not suppose to be concerned with worldly goods.

Which brings me to a questions, if you are hoarding money in the stock market instead of helping fellow man, is it a sin?
 
And just as we debate a stock market crash the markets begin to turn around. Funny thing, huh?
 
The stock market is nothing more than a giant garage sale.

Cash is king.

If prices tank, then people with cash in their pockets can browse around the offerings and see if anything appeals to them.

Be choosy. There are stocks of companies with lots of debt and no profits. There are stocks of companies with no debt and lots of profits … and no earthly reason why their stock is priced low.

There are companies that are being ripped off … a la the French bank where one of the 31-year old employees managed to throw about 8 billion away.

Gotta be careful.

Avoid certain stocks as they may not be bargains.

And if prices are too high, just keep your money in your pocket. Save up your money for some future opportunity.

Happy bargain hunting!
 
And just as we debate a stock market crash the markets begin to turn around. Funny thing, huh?
I’m no economist, but I have seen reference in the past to the necessity of a bear market hitting a “double bottom” before it’s really over. Someone with more expertise than I have could tell us whether that’s true or not, and exactly what it means.

But from a non-technical point of view, I think wariness is in order. If we’re in a real recession, and I think we are, it’s far too soon for things to have really turned around. If we’re not in one, then it is being postponed, and that’s scary. I fail to see how the erasure of trillions of dollars of paper wealth can result in nothing more than a mere hiccup in the economy.

Clearly, the market’s present flailing is largely due to uncertainty. Look at the banks, for instance. Citi and B of A are raising capital; a sure sign that they believe their capital is going to be impaired if they don’t. That’s extremely scary. On the other hand, US Bank is hardly off its 52 week high. Then, looking again, Region’s Finance is ridiculously low if one does not think its sitting on top of a near disaster scenario. Yet, while there is some bad news at RF, there’s not much reason to think a disaster is unfolding. Some of the smaller ones, whose earnings are almost unaffected are getting killed, with stratospheric short interest levels and PEs that have a 1980s look to them. They go up and down 10-20% in a day.

Techs are getting killed, yet their PEs are still above the clouds.

Some of these things seem to be happening because of manipulation. Some because of blind panic. Some because people just don’t have a good feeling about it.

One can analyze the “whys and wherefores” until one’s head hurts, but the reality is that nobody really knows for sure how they’re going to perform in the next year.

Not being an expert in any way, just one who relies on instinct, I’m thinking we have not seen the last of these jumps and plunges. My suspicion is that anybody who gets into a stock that has good fundamentals right now is going to make some serious money in a couple of years. But I also think he is going to have to accept it that he’s almost certain to see it go south on him before he does.

That’s why I wish the government had simply extended unemployment benefits and let it go at that. If we’re going to see an “asset purge”, we ought to get it over with in a short, sharp shock. I would think Bernanke insane for dropping the rates except for the possibility that he sees some bank weakness, particularly “big bank” weakness of such a serious nature that he felt he had no choice but to do what he otherwise ought not to have done.

It’s hard for me to believe others have not had the same thought. Gold was dropping until the “stimulus package” and the “rate drop” happened. Now it’s surging. One thing about the “gold bugs”. They live in a strange, one dimensional world. But you ignore them at your peril. They’re telling us inflation is headed higher and the dollar is headed lower, and that they have no confidence in anything the government or the fed is doing. If that’s true, we’ve taken more poison instead of the cure, which one could suspect without even seeing what the “gold bugs” think about it. That part is truly worrisome. Oil is $10 off its high. Oil is a commodity whose price is strongly affected by both inflation and its anticipated rate of consumption due to economic activity. Gold is a commodity whose price is largely affected by inflationary expectations, and very little by actual consumption. I don’t know, but to me those seeming expectations rhyme with “stagflation”. I would keep my powder dry.
 
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