Stole over Chasuble

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The important point to keep in mind when talking about these “concessions” is that the chasuble-alb is seen as a replacement for the alb, and not as a replacement for the chasuble. I’ve re-read Japhy’s post (above) and it’s clear (though not crystal clear) that this concession was made because this new type of vestment was viewed as a new style of alb. That’s why it’s only allowed for concelebrants, and not the principle celebrant.

For that reason, we can’t say that the chasuble-alb can replace a proper chasuble. An alb, perhaps; but not a chasuble.

As for the question of why are priests still wearing the stole over the chasuble?

Most of the priests who wear them this way do so because of the simple fact that the vestment is in the sacristy closet, and they wear the vestment the way it was designed to be worn. They’re not trying to make a point, and they’re not intended to be disobedient to the norms. They just don’t give a lot of thought to this particular issue.

I know a few priests who say that they don’t like this style, but they will wear them until the vesements wear out or otherwise get replaced. I’ve sometimes asked “why not just wear the stole underneath?” and the response is that they weren’t designed that way. 🤷

There are a very few priests (many of them belonging to a certain “generation” ordained from the 60s through the 80s) who insist on wearing the stole over the chasuble because they are indeed trying to make a point–that they are going to do it specifically because that’s how it was not done before Vatican II. I’ve known a few who insist on doing it this way even when they are wearing vestments clearly designed for the stole to be underneath. A few years back I knew a priest ordained in the 70s and when he visited my parish he did it this way in spite of the fact that all the vestments in the closet looked outright ridiculous with the stole on the outside (that was no accident, as I had them made that way :D)
 
There are a very few priests (many of them belonging to a certain “generation” ordained from the 60s through the 80s) who insist on wearing the stole over the chasuble because they are indeed trying to make a point–that they are going to do it specifically because that’s how it was not done before Vatican II. I’ve known a few who insist on doing it this way even when they are wearing vestments clearly designed for the stole to be underneath. A few years back I knew a priest ordained in the 70s and when he visited my parish he did it this way in spite of the fact that all the vestments in the closet looked outright ridiculous with the stole on the outside (that was no accident, as I had them made that way :D)
Oh yes, that crew. I know them well. 😦 It’s the same crowd who, on the rare occasions they ever don a cassock, wear a semi-jebi that is both too short (trousers clearly hanging below the hem) and improperly closed. And it goes without saying that the idea of a cassock under an alb is totally anathema to them. Biretta? :eek:

Actually, I’d go so far as to add the mid-1950s to the “generational” list and extend it to the mid-1990s.
 
“As to color, the only requirement for use of the chasuble-alb is that the stole be of the color assigned to the Mass.” (2d)

That sounds like a formula for vestment design disaster.
 
This unfortunate style has seemingly spread to my Church. We got a new priest while I was away, and my first week by I attended a Mass prayed by him, and he had the stole on top, the next week, the Pastor did not, however this last Sunday the style seemed to have caught on with him as well.

How can I go about handling this situation, as I am aware that it is against the instructions in various documents. Unfortunately, I am a seminarian, which makes me nervous to put my name on any kind of letter. How should I handle this?
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It’s not a big issue. In fact I like ti better on the outside. When you go to confession, does the priest have his stole under his shirt?

This is a vwery minor thing to worry about and if you are a seminarian, you better adjust to some priests do.

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It’s not a big issue. In fact I like ti better on the outside. When you go to confession, does the priest have his stole under his shirt?
The stole goes over the alb and under the chasuble. It doesn’t go under a clerical shirt. That’s a rather pointless comparison to make. The problem is not the stole being “on the outside” or “on the inside”, since depending on the situation, it might be proper for the stole to be the outermost vestment worn; the problem is the stole being over the chasuble.
 
It’s not a big issue. In fact I like ti better on the outside. When you go to confession, does the priest have his stole under his shirt?
Which would be valid except that the chasuble is not analogous to the clerical shirt.
The larger issue is why on such a small matter, priests are not obeying the ritual books. it may be that they are unaware, but if they are aware, and it is a small matter, why not just listen?
 
This unfortunate style has seemingly spread to my Church. We got a new priest while I was away, and my first week by I attended a Mass prayed by him, and he had the stole on top, the next week, the Pastor did not, however this last Sunday the style seemed to have caught on with him as well.

How can I go about handling this situation, as I am aware that it is against the instructions in various documents. Unfortunately, I am a seminarian, which makes me nervous to put my name on any kind of letter. How should I handle this?
My advice is: don’t. There’s no need for seminarians to play liturgy police. Just concentrate on your studies and pastoral formation.

There’s always going to be priests, deacons, and even bishops who do things their own way. You can’t control that.
 
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