Stomping foot at "trampled death"?

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we ended up with the stream from St. John Chrysotum in Washington for Pascha. Not by design, but the link to the cathedral liturgy kept going back to the same page, and when a live liturgy came on, we just took it.

Anyway, one of the cantors stamped his feet three times at some of the “trampled death” lines.

I’ve never seen this before; is it common?
 
dochawk said:
we ended up with the stream from St. John Chrysotum in Washington for Pascha. Not by design, but the link to the cathedral liturgy kept going back to the same page, and when a live liturgy came on, we just took it.

Anyway, one of the cantors stamped his feet three times at some of the “trampled death” lines.

I’ve never seen this before; is it common?
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I’ve only seen it once. I don’t think it is common. The cantor who did it got some strange looks (mine). It would be interesting to know if it happens in the Melkite church, which seems to be less sedate.
 
I honestly don’t remember. It’s been two years since I’ve been to a Pascha Divine Liturgy with Melkites.
 
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No feet were stomped in our Divine Liturgy . . . (and no animals were hurt) save the Lamb who was immolated for our sins!

Khrystos Voskres!
Fr. Deacon Christopher
 
Possibly once in my life but it’s so long ago I don’t remember exactly.
 
dochawk said:
I’ve never seen this before; is it common?
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There is a particular setting of the Paschal Troparion that lends itself to this trampling.
Listen here at 2:14:30 in this Hungarian Greek Catholic church


This is likely to be very familiar to all who sing prostopinije. The tune gets around almost as much as our O Kto Kto.

I had never heard of the foot-stomping, but was told of it by an Orthodox (Antiochian), who was. I brought the tune to a local OCA parish and they have taken up the foot-stomping.
 
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Our nee-Ruthenian parishes often have significant groups from other traditions.

I also noticed that the cantors were slangy singing, rather than the chanting I"m used to, while the priests and deacons chanted.

(OK, filter this through my being about one step removed from tone deaf; I can tell that notes are going up and down . . .)
 
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I also noticed that the cantors were slangy singing, rather than the chanting I"m used to, while the priests and deacons chanted.
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Now you pulled me in. I just checked out their Facebook page to see if they had the Liturgy from Pascha posted. Unfortunately, they just have the homily.

Edit: I just found it on YouTube.
 
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A number of years ago before I even became Catholic I attended the paschal liturgy at this tiny Orthodox mission here in California. Not only did the cantor do this foot stomping, but the entire congregation did so! They also used… guitars, which I found highly odd as I was under the impression you Byzantines have strictly a cappella liturgies. Come to think of it the whole thing was rather casually done. It was a tiny tiny congregation of a dozen or so max in an old Baptist chapel. If the Byzantines ever have a charismatic renewal I’d imagine it would look much like that liturgy.
 
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the cantors were slangy singing
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I am curious what you mean by “slangy singing”? I’ve been to SJC in Seattle and heard a number of you tubes posted by a cantor from the proto-cathedral in LA. They sing prostopinije like everyone else trading back to Uzhhorod. And thy do it well.
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Not only did the cantor do this foot stomping, but the entire congregation did so!
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I suspect that that happens at SJC in Seattle too, when the parishioners are not sheltering-in-place and restricted to viewing the live stream
 
Was that a Western Orthodox church? Every EO church I know is strictly traditional.
 
I don’t want to specify what type of Byzantine Catholic it was, I’m using the term to mean Byzantine Rite, but it was weird. I will say, that it is in a major American city, and it just seems so, Latin. Now, there’s nothing wrong with that, I belong to the Latin church, but it seems out of place in a Byzantine rite Catholic Church
 
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Anyway, one of the cantors stamped his feet three times at some of the “trampled death” lines.

I’ve never seen this before; is it common?
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He could be a recovering Evangelical!

Just a small attempt at humor!!

🙂 🙂 .

geo
 
I can’t remember the jurisdiction. I barely have a rudimentary understanding of them now as a Latin. 10 years ago before I was even a Christian my understanding of the apostolic churches was even more lacking. It was definitely not “Western Orthodox” in ritual, otherwise would they even be celebrating a Byzantine liturgy?
 
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I am curious what you mean by “slangy singing”?
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So am I :roll_eyes:

I’m having a lot of typing issues, or autocorrect issues, these days.

it probably was a word that meant that they appeared to be singing.

Every parish I’ve attended has had the congregation and cantors chanting, similarly to the clergy, rather than singing (including our cathedral in Phoenix)
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hey also used… guitars, which I found highly odd as I was under the impression you Byzantines have strictly a cappella liturgies.
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organs have snuck in to both BC and EO at times, but modernly have been getting shown the door.

Unless possibly WRO, as noted by @Margaret_ann, statistically speaking it is more likely that a group using a guitar is vagante (or simply self-proclaimed) than that it has mainstream orthodox affiliation. It could be but . . .

oh, and in the liturgy we streamed, it was only one of the three cantors doing this.

The first time, I though he’d tripped! 😱
 
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