Story of Noah: Who believes it to be real?

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Do I believe there was a Noah and his ark? Yes they found evidence of it. Do I believe it was a literal worldwide flood? No. More likely a localized situation but since they did not grasp the idea of the whole world as we know it to them it was the whole world, theirs.
 
goofyjim said:
Do I believe there was a Noah and his ark? Yes they found evidence of it. Do I believe it was a literal worldwide flood? No. More likely a localized situation but since they did not grasp the idea of the whole world as we know it to them it was the whole world, theirs.
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they didn’t find evidence of a “noah” did they? as in a man called noah? I thought it was someone else with a different name…
 
The arc is on Mt. Ararat. Every Armenian knows that. It is a true story.
 
Abbadon said:
did god “say” or did someone say god said?
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**21When the LORD smelled the sweet odor, he said to himself: “Never again will I doom the earth because of man, since the desires of man’s heart are evil from the start; nor will I ever again strike down all living beings, as I have done.
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As long as the earth lasts, seedtime and harvest, cold and heat, Summer and winter, and day and night shall not cease.”

The Bible records it.**
 
goofyjim said:
Do I believe there was a Noah and his ark? Yes they found evidence of it. Do I believe it was a literal worldwide flood? No. More likely a localized situation but since they did not grasp the idea of the whole world as we know it to them it was the whole world, theirs.
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If you go back to about 11,000 B.C., it was the final period of the end of the last ice age. There definitely was flooding throughout most of the northern hemisphere as the earth began to warm up again. My opinion is that massive flooding and the raising of the sea levels occurred after that period in most of the northern hemisphere that was affected by the melting ice. Most oral traditions across the northern hemisphere have flood stories.
 
peary said:
If you go back to about 11,000 B.C., it was the final period of the end of the last ice age. There definitely was flooding throughout most of the northern hemisphere as the earth began to warm up again. My opinion is that massive flooding and the raising of the sea levels occurred after that period in most of the northern hemisphere that was affected by the melting ice. Most oral traditions across the northern hemisphere have flood stories.
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This makes sense. 👍
 
Abbadon said:
Which is mathematically impossible, unless…

You have an early quantum state phenomenon and the animals entering “the ark” actually entered a region of subspace… Or you could just store the DNA of multiple animals then recreate them after the destruction… or since your god could just go MAGIC and do whatever the frack you want…
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I was merely stating what the Bible says, You mention “your God”
Why i dont know??
I have my own believes and they dont coincide exactly with the Bible.
I am not Pagon/Christian/Muslim etc… 👍 I dont like being labeled…
I’m just a freethinker…
 
peary said:
If you go back to about 11,000 B.C., it was the final period of the end of the last ice age. There definitely was flooding throughout most of the northern hemisphere as the earth began to warm up again. My opinion is that massive flooding and the raising of the sea levels occurred after that period in most of the northern hemisphere that was affected by the melting ice. Most oral traditions across the northern hemisphere have flood stories.
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Naturally, but that just means the sea level would have been raised to what it is now, even if you melted all the ice on earth currently it still wouldn’t drown the world…
 
whiteknite said:
I was merely stating what the Bible says, You mention “your God”
Why i dont know??
I have my own believes and they dont coincide exactly with the Bible.
I am not Pagon/Christian/Muslim etc… 👍 I dont like being labeled…
I’m just a freethinker…
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sorry for generalising your god… what is your god?
do you have a god? and if you do does it have the power of omnipotency?
 
peary said:
**21When the LORD smelled the sweet odor, he said to himself: “Never again will I doom the earth because of man, since the desires of man’s heart are evil from the start; nor will I ever again strike down all living beings, as I have done.
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As long as the earth lasts, seedtime and harvest, cold and heat, Summer and winter, and day and night shall not cease.”

The Bible records it.**
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This is something that i never thought about but in this it sounds like god is doing the writing, is he? he said to himself? who is the author and how does he know what god is saying to himself? was god speaking out aloud at the time, just talking to him self?

I have to say i am rather confuzzeled. I’m sure there are many passages like that I just never ever thought about how wierd it was…
 
Abbadon said:
sorry for generalising your god… what is your god?
do you have a god? and if you do does it have the power of omnipotency?
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I havent met my creater yet, I take it neither have you…
But i’m sure whoever he is, He wouldnt command so more missery as the 1 in the Bible mentions…
The religons i see around me cause too much War and blood shed for my likeings.
I have been reading alot abot the sumerians and there view on God and life and it seems alittle more believable than most texts i read.
Although im pretty certain they had there fair share of violence to go with there believes…
Seems they had a flood exactly the same as moses. Coincidence?? I dont realy know but it gets more interesting as i research more…
🙂
 
Abbadon said:
Naturally, but that just means the sea level would have been raised to what it is now, even if you melted all the ice on earth currently it still wouldn’t drown the world…
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The sea level was much much lower during the last ice age. When the last of the ice melted, it raised the ocean level to what it is now. I didn’t say “drown the world.” I said there would have been massive floods and flooding in the northern hemisphere, and it wouldn’t preclude other peoples’ survival. Most tribal traditions in the northern hemisphere, no matter where you go, have some sort of flood story.
 
If God can become man, die for our sins, and return from the dead, on what basis would I claim that a man can’t build a big boat and load it with animals?
 
Jerry-Jet said:
If Jesus spoke of Noah how could anyone not believe that he existed?
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Gilgamesh - 2600 BC mentions a flood exactly the same way Noah describes it…
So because a person only mentioned in the NT talks of an event, Then it has to be true??
Lots of religons have very same stories as NT and OT that happened long before these scripts where wrote.
Some wrote in stone tablet form…Thats how long these stories go back… Coincidence??
Just a thought!!..
 
It’s real, and here’s what the skeptics need to consider here. Everything written in the bible when taking into account people by name always depics an actual individual, a real circumstance and this is the underlying basis within the OT. To deny Noah’s existance, might as well deny Abraham, Moses, David, and all of the people mentioned in the bible, for if you deny one, using that logic, you are denying all of them. The bible makes it very clear when it’s speaking in terms to teach not based upon any particular individual, there really is no question in this matter where it addresses these cases.

Ok, we analyze the story, why on earth would there be actual measurements of the arc detailed out? What is there to gain by learning of it, the reason that there alone is to direct the reader to know, this is a literal event, the skeptics have no explanation for it to go into that kind of detail because they cannot find anything to learn from it using their logic.

We look to the beginning of Genesis and all of the animals are named by man, they are brought to him for that purpose, this clearly shows that God can do this again, in this case, with gathering two of each kind to board the arc.

We then got the the spot where the rainbow is revealed and shown as a sign of God’s promise. This is the very first rainbow ever seen before, the reason it’s the first is because the planet prior to this had an extra layer of atmosphere, a layer of water that surrounded it, it acted in a similar manner to our ozone layer, yet was much more effective. There were no rains, only mists before, yet this layer was realeased, pooring itself upon the planet, that was the source of the flood waters. Now, that the atmosphere changed, clouds formed as a result, and we know how they interact with the sun’s ray’s to produce a rainbow.

That layer also accounts to the extended life spans from the day’s of old, take note how man’s life spans were immediately cut shorter, this is the result of no longer having that protective layer…
 
whiteknite said:
I havent met my creater yet, I take it neither have you…
But i’m sure whoever he is, He wouldnt command so more missery as the 1 in the Bible mentions…
The religons i see around me cause too much War and blood shed for my likeings.
I have been reading alot abot the sumerians and there view on God and life and it seems alittle more believable than most texts i read.
Although im pretty certain they had there fair share of violence to go with there believes…
Seems they had a flood exactly the same as moses. Coincidence?? I dont realy know but it gets more interesting as i research more…
🙂
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There are a few religions that sanction violence, that I’ll give you, but it’s still up to “man” to cause it to happen, with or without religion, as stated just prior, the heart of man is evil, I suppose it could be added onto and say, evil, if left to his own devices. This is the danger you face as a “free thinker”, I could also coin it as free to wander off, free to turn away from God, free from any authority. I’m not omipitant, but I trust in the one who is, and the fact he cares so much to educate us by revealing his word, it just makes sense to listen to it and heed his guidance.
 
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