Story of Noah: Who believes it to be real?

[Koopa]

Our Advanced Biology teacher (of all people! ) has an interesting theory about this. Well, we were talking about Evolution, and he doesn’t like it, since there’s no factual proof. Anyway, he was suggesting a viable Creationism theory.

First, he asked how we got all this oil. (He’s like that, very round-about kind of man.) After about 10 minutes of waiting/false theories he explained that oil is a bunch of dead animals all at the same level with a bunch of debris over it to compact it. He said that this could happen if a big flood occurred and killed lots of animals. Then the erosion from the flood could have settled on the dead bodies and compacted them, making oil.

I mean, I guess that could make sense. Where did all that oil come from?

 

[buffalo]

Our Advanced Biology teacher (of all people! ) has an interesting theory about this. Well, we were talking about Evolution, and he doesn’t like it, since there’s no factual proof. Anyway, he was suggesting a viable Creationism theory.

First, he asked how we got all this oil. (He’s like that, very round-about kind of man.) After about 10 minutes of waiting/false theories he explained that oil is a bunch of dead animals all at the same level with a bunch of debris over it to compact it. He said that this could happen if a big flood occurred and killed lots of animals. Then the erosion from the flood could have settled on the dead bodies and compacted them, making oil.

I mean, I guess that could make sense. Where did all that oil come from?

This may not hold up - some scientists now believe oil is a continuous process that is happening right now. The beilief is that oil is actually a condensate created when magma comes in contact with the mantle.

 

[Orogeny]

Our Advanced Biology teacher (of all people! ) has an interesting theory about this. Well, we were talking about Evolution, and he doesn’t like it, since there’s no factual proof. Anyway, he was suggesting a viable Creationism theory.

First, he asked how we got all this oil. (He’s like that, very round-about kind of man.) After about 10 minutes of waiting/false theories he explained that oil is a bunch of dead animals all at the same level with a bunch of debris over it to compact it. He said that this could happen if a big flood occurred and killed lots of animals. Then the erosion from the flood could have settled on the dead bodies and compacted them, making oil.

I mean, I guess that could make sense. Where did all that oil come from?

Perhaps that is why he is a biology teacher and not a geologist.

Oil is not a bunch of dead animals all at the same level with a bunch of debris over it to compact it. Oil (petroleum) is a liquid byproduct of the decay of organic material. The accumulation of oil is almost always in different areas than the source material because the oil migrates through permeable sediments or along fractures until it reaches a seal (an impermeable rock formation, salt, a sealed fault, etc.). The oil will then pool and, if we find it, we can produce it.

The source material is not in the same place in the earth. There are many different sources of petroleum at many different levels.

Perhaps your advanced biology teacher should stick to the science of biology and not something he has neither evidence for nor knowledge of.

Peace

Tim

 

[Teflon93]

Perhaps your advanced biology teacher should stick to the science of biology and not something he has neither evidence for nor knowledge of.

Peace

Tim

The Russians have made billions prospecting for oil where the standard model says there should be none. Geologists have been predicting the end of oil on the same rolling basis that fundamentalists predict the Rapture.

Maybe it’s time to let advanced biology teachers have a swing.

 

[Orogeny]

The Russians have made billions prospecting for oil where the standard model says there should be none. Geologists have been predicting the end of oil on the same rolling basis that fundamentalists predict the Rapture.

Maybe it’s time to let advanced biology teachers have a swing.

Yeah, let’s do that. And we can have literature teachers start designing bridges, too.

Peace

Tim

 

[Teflon93]

Yeah, let’s do that. And we can have literature teachers start designing bridges, too.

Peace

Tim

If we had as big a crisis in bridgebuilding as we did in oil exploration, I’d be all for that as well!

Meanwhile, the Russians keep pulling up oil and staving off that Armageddon date, to the embarrassment of geologists in this country.

I will never forget the lecture I attended in 1991 with one of these geologists, who lambasted us for our idiocy in not understanding exponential curves and therefore not recognizing that the world would be out of oil by 2000.

I’m sure he’s revised his estimate, though not his thought process.

There’s no fundamentalist who can boast of the certitude of their salvation to anywhere near the extent that today’s scientists and engineers are convinced they know their discipline.

For a corrective, I suggest Scientific American’s monthly feature where they reprint old articles. The tone of smug certainty’s the same, the facts have utterly changed in the intervening years, to humorous result.

 

[Orogeny]

If we had as big a crisis in bridgebuilding as we did in oil exploration, I’d be all for that as well!

We don’t have a crisis in oil exploration. Who told you that?

Meanwhile, the Russians keep pulling up oil and staving off that Armageddon date, to the embarrassment of geologists in this country.

The Russians are having some problems with their “embarrassment” activities.

economist.com/business/displaystory.cfm?story_id=11332313

And I hate to tell you this, but the reason the Russians are able to produce oil like they have been is because western oil companies came to their aid once it became obvious that the geniuses in Russia had done as much as they could do to kill production by improperly producing the petroleum that they have.

I will never forget the lecture I attended in 1991 with one of these geologists, who lambasted us for our idiocy in not understanding exponential curves and therefore not recognizing that the world would be out of oil by 2000.

I’m sure he’s revised his estimate, though not his thought process.

I’m sure you do.

There’s no fundamentalist who can boast of the certitude of their salvation to anywhere near the extent that today’s scientists and engineers are convinced they know their discipline.

I’m a bit confused. Are you suggesting petroleum geologists and engineers really don’t know what they are talking? Really? And who would you suggest has found most of the petroleum reserves we have today? Morons?

For a corrective, I suggest Scientific American’s monthly feature where they reprint old articles. The tone of smug certainty’s the same, the facts have utterly changed in the intervening years, to humorous result.

Yet we still have oil production, don’t we? Again, not bad for a bunch of pompous, drooling morons who don’t know a single thing about their discipline.

Peace

Tim

 

[Teflon93]

We don’t have a crisis in oil exploration. Who told you that?The Russians are having some problems with their “embarrassment” activities.

economist.com/business/displaystory.cfm?story_id=11332313

Their “problems” are propping up their government.

And I hate to tell you this, but the reason the Russians are able to produce oil like they have been is because western oil companies came to their aid once it became obvious that the geniuses in Russia had done as much as they could do to kill production by improperly producing the petroleum that they have.

Who said the Russians are geniuses? Exploration, extraction, and refinement are three different disciplines. The point remains is that they keep finding oil where our oil company geologists believed none would be found because their premises are apparently invalid.

I’m sure you do.I’m a bit confused. Are you suggesting petroleum geologists and engineers really don’t know what they are talking? Really? And who would you suggest has found most of the petroleum reserves we have today? Morons?Yet we still have oil production, don’t we? Again, not bad for a bunch of pompous, drooling morons who don’t know a single thing about their discipline.

Most of the oil was found because it found its way to the surface or into water supplies. Not a lot of genius there!

I suggest that these folks, like many of us (I’m an engineer myself), get increasingly specialized and never challenge assumptions they baked into their skulls in school. Even worse, they get so few opportunities these days to actually extract oil that it hampers the development of new approaches. The Middle East isn’t the center of the world’s oil production because the bulk of the world’s oil is in the Middle East, but because it’s easy to find and relatively easy to extract there.

As for the credibility of the geologists who’ve been ringing the warning bell on the availability of oil since the 70s, no, I don’t think they know what they’re talking about. They should know better than to attempt to extrapolate the future from past data.

They’d be better off spending some time looking for oil in China (since there’s apparently no use finding oil in America anymore)—until China’s growing demand is met, we’ll be dealing with high crude oil prices.

Peace

Tim

How ironic!

 

[Orogeny]

Who said the Russians are geniuses? Exploration, extraction, and refinement are three different disciplines. The point remains is that they keep finding oil where our oil company geologists believed none would be found because their premises are apparently invalid.

Well, I guess the fact that they are so smart that they know that all the traditional petroleum geology is wrong and they know the REAL source of petroleum would put them in the genius realm.

Oh, and by the way, they are using our geologists to help them find and produce their oil. Using our stupid, flawed methodology.

Most of the oil was found because it found its way to the surface or into water supplies. Not a lot of genius there!

Wrong.

I suggest that these folks, like many of us (I’m an engineer myself), get increasingly specialized and never challenge assumptions they baked into their skulls in school.

Well, that may be true for you, but in the world of petroleum exploration, money talks and if petroleum could be found in crystalline basement rocks at economic levels, we would be doing so.

Are you familiar with sub-salt exploration? Considering your narrow view of western petroleum geologists, why do you think that anyone would look for petroleum beneath salt?

Even worse, they get so few opportunities these days to actually extract oil that it hampers the development of new approaches.

That is also incorrect.

The Middle East isn’t the center of the world’s oil production because the bulk of the world’s oil is in the Middle East, but because it’s easy to find and relatively easy to extract there.

The quantity of petroleum there has something to do with it as well.

As for the credibility of the geologists who’ve been ringing the warning bell on the availability of oil since the 70s, no, I don’t think they know what they’re talking about. They should know better than to attempt to extrapolate the future from past data.
They’d be better off spending some time looking for oil in China (since there’s apparently no use finding oil in America anymore)—until China’s growing demand is met, we’ll be dealing with high crude oil prices.

Access to petroleum exploration in China is very strictly limited by the Chinese government. There is (or was) some participation by western oil companies in exploration activities in China, but it is (was) very limited.

Of course, the Chinese are pretty stupid too since they use western geologic methodology to look for oil. Maybe they should just look for surface seeps or oil in water wells rather than looking for oil our way.

How ironic!

I don’t understand. What is ironic?

Peace

Tim

 

[Koopa]

:doh2: I think we should stay on topic.

Noah… what I don’t entirely understand: Was everyone on earth evil other Noah and his family? Surely there was some good soul… or maybe not.

 

[Teflon93]

For Tim and anyone else who might like to know more about how the Russians keep finding more oil, here’s a good overview article.

A nugget:

The Peak Oil school rests its theory on conventional Western geology textbooks, most by American or British geologists, which claim oil is a “fossil fuel”, a biological residue or detritus of either fossilized dinosaur remains or perhaps algae, hence a product in finite supply. Biological origin is central to Peak Oil theory, used to explain why oil is only found in certain parts of the world where it was geologically trapped millions of years ago.

That would mean that dinosaur remains became compressed and over tens of millions of years fossilized and were trapped in underground reservoirs perhaps 1,200-2,000 meters below the surface of the Earth. In rare cases, so goes the theory, huge amounts of biological matter should have been trapped in rock formations in the shallower ocean regions such as in the Gulf of Mexico or North Sea or Gulf of Guinea. Geology should be only about figuring out where these pockets in the layers of the earth, called reservoirs, lie within certain sedimentary basins.

An entirely alternative theory of oil formation has existed since the early 1950s in Russia, almost unknown to the West. It claims that the conventional US biological-origins theory is an unscientific absurdity that is unprovable. They point to the fact that Western geologists have repeatedly predicted finite oil over the past century, only then to find more, lots more.

Not only has this alternative explanation of the origins of oil and gas existed in theory, the emergence of Russia as the world’s largest oil and natural-gas producer has been based on the application of the theory in practice. This has geopolitical consequences of staggering magnitude.

Follow the money—the Russians have been making lots applying
their method.

It should hearten those who hold to the Scriptural account of the Flood that our geologists are not always correct.

 

[Orogeny]

For Tim and anyone else who might like to know more about how the Russians keep finding more oil, here’s a good overview article.

A nugget:

Follow the money—the Russians have been making lots applying
their method.

It should hearten those who hold to the Scriptural account of the Flood that our geologists are not always correct.

The Russians have been using western methods all along. Do you really think that the majority of their production comes from very deep, basement rock wells?

How about this site for information: aapg.org/explorer/2002/11nov/abiogenic.cfm

You might be interested in knowing that we have plenty of oil, even with our ignorant geologists and engineers.

Peace

Tim

 

[Brian_Millar]

:doh2: I think we should stay on topic.

Noah… what I don’t entirely understand: Was everyone on earth evil other Noah and his family? Surely there was some good soul… or maybe not.

It there were, I’m sure God would have directed them to help build and board the arc, apparently the people became so corrupt, it was necessary to wipe out the lot of them. I was told how at the end of times, man would mimick the men of those days, and being born into a population of utter corruption, there would be very few individuals that have not became part of it. This is why it mentions how the time will be cut short in those days, it’s cut short for our benifit, otherwise, the entire population would no longer be worthy of salvation, for they would not be capable of repentance.

Here is something to think about for those that watch TV, take note to the graphic images portrayed there and how we’ve lifted cencorship to ungodly levels. This to me is showing that we have elements imbedded into our modern society that is corrupting mankind from an early age. Personally, I leave mine off, only on rare occassions will I turn it on any more, I could live without it all together easily.

 

[whiteknite]

It there were, I’m sure God would have directed them to help build and board the arc, apparently the people became so corrupt, it was necessary to wipe out the lot of them. I was told how at the end of times, man would mimick the men of those days, and being born into a population of utter corruption, there would be very few individuals that have not became part of it. This is why it mentions how the time will be cut short in those days, it’s cut short for our benifit, otherwise, the entire population would no longer be worthy of salvation, for they would not be capable of repentance.

Here is something to think about for those that watch TV, take note to the graphic images portrayed there and how we’ve lifted cencorship to ungodly levels. This to me is showing that we have elements imbedded into our modern society that is corrupting mankind from an early age. Personally, I leave mine off, only on rare occassions will I turn it on any more, I could live without it all together easily.

It was’nt just the corruption but also the cross breeding that he wanted to get rid of.
The breed was called Nephilim, Noah and his family was to be 1 of a few that was un-affected in his Genes…

 

[Contarini]

It was’nt just the corruption but also the cross breeding that he wanted to get rid of.

That’s not what the Bible says. That is a racist fantasy.

Edwin

 

[whiteknite]

That’s not what the Bible says. That is a racist fantasy.

Edwin

I’m sorry Contarini but i was under the opinion that you had read the Bible…

Genesis 6:2-4 :- That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.
And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.
There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

The names of the race that followed was Nephilim!!
We know them as off-springs of the fallen Angels…

Why would that be Rascist??

 

[drpmjhess]

You might be interested in knowing that we have plenty of oil, even with our ignorant geologists and engineers. Peace Tim

How do you define “plenty”?

 

[allhers]

Whitknite:
St. Augustine said, that the “sons of God” were men in the godly line of Seth, and the “daughters of men” were in the fallen line of Cain.They weren’t necessarily “giants,” but more literally “fallen ones.” Angels, fallen or not, can’t have children, they are pure spirits.

 

[Orogeny]

How do you define “plenty”?

Enough to meet our current needs.

Peace

Tim

 

[rpp]

whiteknite;3735112:

It was’nt just the corruption but also the cross breeding that he wanted to get rid of.
The breed was called Nephilim, Noah and his family was to be 1 of a few that was un-affected in his Genes…

That’s not what the Bible says. That is a racist fantasy.

Edwin

WhiteKnight’s remark was not racist. I am not certain it is accurate, but it is not racist. The Nephilim were the offspring of angels and women.