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drpmjhess
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How do you define “current needs”? Many in the US would disagree with you.
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Orogeny
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Irrelevant. Gasoline and petroleum stockpiles are sufficient at this time to meet our needs. The cost of petroleum is being driven by speculators on the futures market, not on shortages at refineries which, by the way, are operating at about 90% capacity at the current time. Even if we were producing more oil, the refining capacity is not there.
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drpmjhess
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It’s not at all irrelevant. As we approach the end of affordable oil, independent turckers are being driven out of business. But this has nothing to do with Noah anyway.
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whiteknite
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I have done a lot of search in the past few months and 1 of them is of this subject, To show you all my sites of interest would take too long but here is the simplist of sites for you to get a view of…Whitknite:
St. Augustine said, that the “sons of God” were men in the godly line of Seth, and the “daughters of men” were in the fallen line of Cain.They weren’t necessarily “giants,” but more literally “fallen ones.” Angels, fallen or not, can’t have children, they are pure spirits.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nephilim
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Orogeny
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What is irrelevant is that there are many who would disagree with me. I’m feeling the pinch at the pump myself, but that is not because of the supply of petroleum. It is because of the price of petroleum (mostly) and that is set by speculators on the futures market.
And you are right, this has nothing to do with Noah.
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drpmjhess
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It is not mentioned that the ark had sails or a rudder. I wonder how Noah managed to navigate 12,000 or so miles to Australia to pick up the marsupials before the flood.
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drpmjhess
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Crikey – the Fedex charges for two each of Tasmanian Devils, echidnas, platypodes, wallabies, kangaroos, and koalas must have been out of this world.
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Orogeny
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He just charged it. And then, when the flood came, his credit card company lost all of their records, so he was off the hook!
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Ted_in_Charlott
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This is pretty much what I think. I believe Noah was a real person. I believe God sent the flood as judgement. I also believe God is capable of doing anything. But the animals being regenerated by just a pair of each sounds like a stretch.My answer is yes and no
At one time I would have said I was 100% certain it was factual. I was also such a fundamentalist Christian.Converting to Catholicism has helped me open my mind. I think about that story and the important part of the story is not that 2 of every animal got on a Ark.Certain morals of the story are more important to me now. The main one being that Noah did what God asked Him to do even though it sounded unreal.
Does that make sense?
God Bless
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whiteknite
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Upto 7 of each species went into the Ark IN 2 by 2…
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drpmjhess
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And don’t forget the heating system to keep the iguanas alive for 150 days, and the air-conditioning unit to keep the polar bears and penguins alive. And also the heated fish tanks for tropical freshwater fish, and the heated herpetaria for the desert reptiles.
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buffalo
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Not if they were babies in stasis.
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buffalo
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It’s amazing - God can create the entire universe, but cannot figure out how to handle all these animals.
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Teflon93
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Some here have difficulty believing the Flood occurred, but have no difficulty believing that God became man, was crucified for our sins, and was resurrected three days after his death.
Others have difficulty believing the Flood occurred, but have no difficulty believing that life began with lightning striking a pool of random chemicals, that the entire universe materialized from nothing, and that the only purpose of man is to produce more men.
Same difficulty, different religions.
Others have difficulty believing the Flood occurred, but have no difficulty believing that life began with lightning striking a pool of random chemicals, that the entire universe materialized from nothing, and that the only purpose of man is to produce more men.
Same difficulty, different religions.
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drpmjhess
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Just as the Bible states it: Gen 7:16.5 “And behold, male and female Noah took them in, and God spake, and all flesh fell into stasis, and the LORD shut them in the stasis chambers.”Not if they were babies in stasis.
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whiteknite
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Noah was a good Advert for drinking though, First thing he planted was a vineyard and got drunk out of his skull…
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buffalo
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You would need a drink too after living with all those animals and being tossed around at sea.Noah was a good Advert for drinking though, First thing he planted was a vineyard and got drunk out of his skull…
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drpmjhess
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Serves him right that Ham beheld his old man’s nakedness. I always felt he and the poor Africans got a bad rap for this accident.Noah was a good Advert for drinking though, First thing he planted was a vineyard and got drunk out of his skull…
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Ted_in_Charlott
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Create a strawman and knock it down.
He did, certain portions weren’t accurately represented in the Bible.
Here are issue that come to mind that would not have been accounted for by primitive men recounting oral accounts:
The bugs of all types and sizes, are those included? The ticks, fleas, did they just exist on two animals? The hundreds of species of reptiles and amphibians and birds. Did they sit around and not eat for however long it took? The fish alone would be killed by the desalination and lack of algae due to lack of sunlight. What about the overall effect on the oceans after all the top soil is washed into the sea? If the whole earth was covered with water, what about the icecaps? What about penguins and warm climate animals living in the same closed ship for as long as it took?
The oral accounts that were handed down for a multitude of generations prior to a written word by a primitive man with a primitive language tool set is the issue, not God. God is not limited to the language of man, man is only limited by the ability to describe the divine.
The Bible is the salvation story of Jesus Christ. Genesis up to the time of Abraham was minimal accounts just to explain that a loving God created you, will judge you for sin. Why is that such a bad thing? How many stupid animals got on the Ark is not the issue. The story of Noah is about God’s judgement on sinful man. Even Jesus in referencing the story used it to refer to the end of time.
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