Story of Noah: Who believes it to be real?

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My field of expertice is not grammer, too bad that’s the only thing you can point out as a valid debate here, I’ll be sure to avoid you in the spell checking forums… You are proving my point here, you are not able to grasp concepts I consider childs play."
It’s not a question of grammar, but rather simply of spelling, and your misspellings stare you in the face, underlined in red, for you to correct.

But to your post, what exactly is this huge secret knowledge you have that you won’t post because you believe Tim and others cannot comprehend it?

Petrus
 
Which publications were those technical papers published in? {PHILIPP: You know what they are. No one who writes anything else other than that which is interpreted in favor of the “Sacred Cow” can publish in secular journals unless they go overseas. That’s a given].

Of course, Answers in Genesis is not a scientific organization. The results of their radiocarbon “research” which includes the information contained in the links you provided (which I removed in this reply to keep the reply shorter) is flawed from several different viewpoints. [PHILIPP: So what! One does not have to be even a scientist to understand that macroevolution is NOT science; it’s a faith system with lots of pretty pictures based on assumptions and false chronologies. I’ll explain---------

PHILIPP: Radiocarbon dating is NOT “flawed.” You are missing the point again and purposefully as it is your game plan.
C-14 trumps any claims that you TE’s make on the chronology of the earth. Snelling and other groups [Duh! He has a Ph.D. in geology, Do You??? He, like others are dating fossils from Darwin/Lyell’s geologic column and getting RC ages that are 2000 times or more younger than what you and your ASA Ph.D.'s are claiming. Are we supposed to bow to thier judgement just because of their so-called expertise and training in universities where only evolution is taught? Give me a break! I pity you poor brainwashed souls every time I see an RC date for a fossil including: amber, dinosaur bones and even coal and diamond. Those of us who test for the presence of C-14 in fossils are using cutting edge research on the widely accepted Accelerated Mass Spectrometer (AMS) in which all labs remove both old and young contaminants before the expensive testing procedure.

The American Scientific Affiliation (ASA) is a group of Christian scientists. Their mission statement is this:

They have reviewed the results of the RATE (Radioisotopes and the Age of the Earth) “study” and, well, I don’t think you will like their conclusions. I am adding a link to three pages from the ASA website. The first is a page that has links to documents that specifically address some of the claims of the RATE group (which includes Andrew Snelling and the topics discussed in the links you provided). The second is a review of the book generated by the RATE group and the third is a page that includes the RATE response to the review and follow-up comments by ASA members.

PHILIPP: I will most certainly read what they have to say when I get the time as I like to read what evolutionists have to say on earth and moon chronologies etc. in light of what I’ve learned from C-14 dating, dinosaur depictions world wide, and distinct fossil human footprints with and without the presence of dinosaurs. Laugh all you want, ridicule all you want but the truth will out.

PHILIPP: Moses, St. Peter, the church fathers and the church councils got it right because they have kept the Faith as cutting edge science has shown. 👍 :cool: You and you buddies got it wrong because you believe in man’s claims for descent from a common ancestor over billions of years which C-14has shown simply don’t exist. You are deceiving yourself and others and again I feel sorry for you.

You may discount the ASA members if you like, but please look at their credentials before you do. Note that these guys are Christians, not athiests. [PHILIPP: I’ll pray for yours and their conversion to the faith of the church fathers and ask St. Lawrence of Brindisi and St. John Damacene to help in yours and their discernment. What else can I do 🤷 ]

Peace [PHILIPP: likewise I’m sure]

Tim
 
First off, it would make things much easier if you would use the quote function to separate your comments from mine. To use the quote function, surround the text that you are quoting with {quote} at the beginning and {/quote} at the end, except replace the { } with ].
PHILIPP: You know what they are. No one who writes anything else other than that which is interpreted in favor of the “Sacred Cow” can publish in secular journals unless they go overseas. That’s a given.
So, you admit that it has not been published. Your response, by the way, is just an excuse for not publishing or at least trying to publish.
PHILIPP: So what! One does not have to be even a scientist to understand that macroevolution is NOT science; it’s a faith system with lots of pretty pictures based on assumptions and false chronologies.
That says it all right there. You are not a scientist yet you know more about science than scientists do.
PHILIPP: Radiocarbon dating is NOT “flawed.”
You are right. As long as it is used properly, it works. As long as it is used as you use it, it doesn’t work.
C-14 trumps any claims that you TE’s make on the chronology of the earth. Snelling and other groups [Duh! He has a Ph.D. in geology, Do You???
No, I don’t. I thought you indicated that scientists don’t know that much about science.
He, like others are dating fossils from Darwin/Lyell’s geologic column and getting RC ages that are 2000 times or more younger than what you and your ASA Ph.D.'s are claiming. Are we supposed to bow to thier judgement just because of their so-called expertise and training in universities where only evolution is taught? Give me a break!
Where did Snelling get his training? At a university? Isn’t your argument one against Snelling as well?

The fact is, Snelling and Baumgartner used flawed techniques, both in the sample collection and analysis. Garbage in, garbage out. The sad part is that Snelling and Baumgartner know that what they did was to decieve people like you.
I pity you poor brainwashed souls every time I see an RC date for a fossil including: amber, dinosaur bones and even coal and diamond. Those of us who test for the presence of C-14 in fossils are using cutting edge research on the widely accepted Accelerated Mass Spectrometer (AMS) in which all labs remove both old and young contaminants before the expensive testing procedure.
Cutting edge in the sense that you are misusing the technique to mislead others. Shame on you!
PHILIPP: I will most certainly read what they have to say when I get the time as I like to read what evolutionists have to say on earth and moon chronologies etc. in light of what I’ve learned from C-14 dating, dinosaur depictions world wide, and distinct fossil human footprints with and without the presence of dinosaurs. Laugh all you want, ridicule all you want but the truth will out.
Good. Remember, these guys are part of an organization of Christian scientists. They are not the atheist boogie man.
You and you buddies got it wrong because you believe in man’s claims for descent from a common ancestor over billions of years which C-14has shown simply don’t exist. You are deceiving yourself and others and again I feel sorry for you.
Your lack of understanding of C14 doesn’t negate the fact that the earth is ~4.6 billion years old.
Peace [PHILIPP: likewise I’m sure]
I mean it when I write it. You clearly don’t accept it, but I will wish it on you again.

Peace

Tim
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My best guess is that the flood story was a classic story from the surrounding cultures. The inspired Hebrew author was directed by God to re-write the classic work of fiction to show what that story would be like with Yahweh as God, rather than the false gods in the stories of the surrounding cultures. (e.g. compare Noah’s God to the god in Epic of Gilgamesh).

It was a classic work of fiction, and everyone knew it was a work of fiction, so there is no deception or error. Fiction can be a powerful genre for explaining concepts. Much more powerful than science or history text books.
 
what is said and not said in Genesis is really the heart of the matter. What the surrounding cultures said and how the inspired author interpreted it is what makes the difference. Genesis is just the appetizer in the Torah. Exodus and the remainder of the Torah are the meat and heart of Judaism. Genesis is a series of etiological tales that lead up to the most important part of it- Israel’s unique position as the chosen people and the patriarchs that created the foundation on which Israel would be built.What is the totality of meaning in these stories? To take individual incidents and separate them from the unity of genesis is to to miss the point of Genesis entirely. It should be taken as a totality not as pericopes sewn together.👍
 
My best guess is that the flood story was a classic story from the surrounding cultures. The inspired Hebrew author was directed by God to re-write the classic work of fiction to show what that story would be like with Yahweh as God, rather than the false gods in the stories of the surrounding cultures. (e.g. compare Noah’s God to the god in Epic of Gilgamesh).

It was a classic work of fiction, and everyone knew it was a work of fiction, so there is no deception or error. Fiction can be a powerful genre for explaining concepts. Much more powerful than science or history text books.
The Toledoths of Genesis show that Genesis was passed down from tablets. That was the source that Moses used when compliling.
 
My best guess is that the flood story was a classic story from the surrounding cultures. The inspired Hebrew author was directed by God to re-write the classic work of fiction to show what that story would be like with Yahweh as God, rather than the false gods in the stories of the surrounding cultures. (e.g. compare Noah’s God to the god in Epic of Gilgamesh).

It was a classic work of fiction, and everyone knew it was a work of fiction, so there is no deception or error. Fiction can be a powerful genre for explaining concepts. Much more powerful than science or history text books.
Speaking of surrounding cultures - how bout this? Ancient Chinese Characters.
 
The Toledoths of Genesis show that Genesis was passed down from tablets. That was the source that Moses used when compliling.
That’s a highly speculative though interesting theory. It certainly does not prove as much as the CAI article claims. I don’t know if it has any validity, because I don’t claim to be an expert on Ancient Near Eastern inscriptions.

Edwin
 
The Toledoths of Genesis show that Genesis was passed down from tablets. That was the source that Moses used when compliling.
Thank you Buffalo for the above reference from Catholic Apologetics. As a prince of Egypt it appears Moses certainly had access to all the historical documents of his age - Could we say that Moses was the world’s first Indiana Jones or should he be classified as a professor of “Ancient History” or both? 👍
 
If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, then it’s a duck. If the Bible tells us of a flood in that region, then there was a flood in that region; if the Bible tells us that - 'in the world which was considered the ‘world’ back then - there was a flood that wiped everything off the ancient map at one time, then it is probably true. After all, we don’t know just what type of evil civilization there was but it must have been pretty bad if God had to start over again. I cannot imagine anything more worse than our world today, actually.
 
That’s a new one to me!
I read it in the Book of Enoch " His hair was white and fine as snow".
I know the Book of Enoch isnt in your Bible but all the same i was reading it for education…🙂

:knight1:
 
I read it in the Book of Enoch " His hair was white and fine as snow".
I know the Book of Enoch isnt in your Bible but all the same i was reading it for education…🙂

:knight1:
Just because someone has white hair does not mean that they are an albino! It means old age, which equals wisdom. The Book of Enoch could have said that he had red eyes and skin as white as snow, and then we would have known for sure.
 
Just because someone has white hair does not mean that they are an albino! It means old age, which equals wisdom. The Book of Enoch could have said that he had red eyes and skin as white as snow, and then we would have known for sure.
I suppose that that doesnt rule out that he could have been…

:knight1:
 
I’m Catholic. I believe the story of Noah is true. See child #3 in siggy. That’s how cool I think Noah was. 👍
 
You tried Google to see how many sites think he does??:knight1:
Is quarreling over whether or not Noah was an albino any more worthwhile than quarreling over the exact breadth of the Yellow Brick Road?
 
Is quarreling over whether or not Noah was an albino any more worthwhile than quarreling over the exact breadth of the Yellow Brick Road?
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I would tend to agree with Petrus but it was still a worth while brief discusion as it brought out a very good point that having white hair does imply a person of wisdom Ha. The percent of pigment that might have been in his skin is of little importance.

However whether Moses was a good historian who we can speculate spent much time in the Egyptian libraries of his time learning the history of the past or just rewrote the Gilgemesh story to suit the Jewish agenda of the day is of great importance as it bears on our origins. To that end of determining the best we can the truth of the matter Catholic Apologetics and Dr. Wiseman’s approach to determining the validily of Genesis can be of great benefit to this thread. 👍
 
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