Story: "Trans teen regrets his ‘Frankenstein’ transition."

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This is incredibly sad.

It is a result of certain groups pushing social change as quickly as possible with no regard for the consequences.
 
tommy37 said:
Apparently, this regret is prevalent among those who transition.
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No, it is not “prevalent”. Here’s a more reliable study by WPATH, health professionals trained to deal with gender dysphoria:
Satisfaction rates across studies ranged from 87% of MtF patients to 97% of FtM patients (Green & Fleming, 1990), and regrets were extremely rare (1-1.5% of MtF patients and <1% of FtM patients; Pfäfflin, 1993). Indeed, hormone therapy and surgery have been found to be medically necessary to alleviate gender dysphoria in many people (American Medical Association, 2008; Anton, 2009; World Professional Association for Transgender Health, 2008).
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Clearly, some people do regret the change, but one must be careful to not present anecdotal evidence as a “prevalence”.
 
It follows a similar trajectory to abortion.

According to studies, most do not regret their operations, however, just like with abortion, their quality of life doesn’t really improve.
 
Perhaps I chose the wrong word. Maybe it’s not “prevalent” as of yet. Perhaps regrets are increasing though as more are being encouraged to transition. And, perhaps more people will regret it later on even though reporting initial satisfaction. Do the studies track people’s feelings about it 10-20 years on?

WPATH may help some people feel better. However, it’s also a politically motivated organization that doesn’t even recognize detransition as a possibility even though their own surgeons want there to be guidelines for it. Perhaps that political activism and refusal even to recognize it might just skew some of their research. (Consider psychotherapist James Caspian being turned down by Bath Spa University for his desire merely to research sex change regret and detransitioning.) Apparently, research is a threat to the movement.

Sadly, those who have detransitioned have reported that they have been targeted by the transgender community as being “traitors” to the movement. That may be considered anecdotal but I believe it because it’s human nature for groups of like-minded people to target anyone who threatens their group, which in this case also happens to be a very hostile political movement. We see it all throughout history.
 
Poor young man, hopefully he finds love and peace like a new dawn after the suffering.
 
tommy37 said:
WPATH may help some people feel better. However, it’s also a politically motivated organization that doesn’t even recognize detransition as a possibility even though their own surgeons want there to be guidelines for it.
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WPAT actually promotes a balanced and measured approach. It does not recommend transition for all, but instead advocates finding a balanced position that allows the patient to live with his or her condition. It does not recommend surgery in every instance. For instance, it suggests hormone treatments for those unable to transition, with a level of hormones ranging from just enough to feel better, to a level needed to acquire the secondary sexual characteristics of the target gender. At the lowest level of intervention it recommends simply living part-time in the desired gender role. It recommends psychological support in all cases.

It is not a de-transition document, it is a transition document with criteria for partial or full transition.

Here are a couple of examples:
Treatments options include the following:

• Changes in gender expression and role (which may involve living part time or full time in another gender role, consistent with one’s gender identity);

• Hormone therapy to feminize or masculinize the body;

• Surgery to change primary and/or secondary sex characteristics (e.g., breasts/chest, external
and/or internal genitalia, facial features, body contouring);

• Psychotherapy (individual, couple, family, or group) for purposes such as exploring gender identity, role, and expression; addressing the negative impact of gender dysphoria and stigma on mental health; alleviating internalized transphobia; enhancing social and peer support; improving body image; or promoting resilience.
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And this:
Irreversible Interventions

Genital surgery should not be carried out until (i) patients reach the legal age of majority in a given
country, and (ii) patients have lived continuously for at least 12 months in the gender role that is
congruent with their gender identity. The age threshold should be seen as a minimum criterion and
not an indication in and of itself for active intervention.
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And concerning hormones:
Hormone therapy must be individualized based on a patient’s goals, the risk/benefit ratio of medications, the presence of other medical conditions, and consideration of social and economic issues. Hormone therapy can provide significant comfort to patients who do not wish to make a social gender role transition or undergo surgery, or who are unable to do so.
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Like any medical intervention, it can be mishandled by incompetent or careless professionals, and honest mistakes can be made. To suggest though, that unfortunate experiences such as these should block treatment for transgendered individuals, will lead to much greater suffering. The transgendered, as a group, have one of the highest suicide rates.
 
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In very rare cases, a little boy is very unhappy with their sex from the age of two or three and never outgrows this unhappiness. This is not well understood, and a separate issue.
Although note, this is only something that can be seen in retrospect. Some little boys outgrow this and have normal lives.

If a child is happy with their sex, and then suddenly is not, this is a psychiatric issue and need to be addressed.

And parents need to be aware that kids are getting ideas from other kids on the internet, as well as being given a “script” of talking points to sound convincing.

Parents also need to be aware that these clinics are there to make money (just like abortion clinics).

Also note, there is an enormous amount of gaslighting going on from powerful activists groups (“This isn’t a new phenomenon at all! Lots of kids have hated their sex the whole time! You just didn’t see it. Oh and by the way, don’t look at any evidence that disagrees with us. They’re just haters and phobes.”)
 
My understanding is both pre- and post- transition. The rates drop post-transition, but are still significantly higher than the rest of the population. I’m still reading this study from Sweden, which is known to be very tranny friendly, but it seems to show that there’s some underlying issues beyond simply wanting to be a different sex.
 
melonhead said:
I’m still reading this study from Sweden, which is known to be very tranny friendly, but it seems to show that there’s some underlying issues beyond simply wanting to be a different sex.
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Perhaps that there is a real mental illness that needs to be treated with something other than mutilation?
 
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melonhead said:
tranny friendly,
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I’m sure it wasn’t intentional, but just so you know the term “tranny” is considered very offensive in the transgender community. It is associated with the porn industry.
vz71 said:
Perhaps that there is a real mental illness that needs to be treated with something other than mutilation?
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Except that so far, psychotherapy has not worked in serious cases. Not for want if trying.

And of course, as some evidence is beginning to show, it may in fact have an organic cause. So it is best treated first as a medical condition, not a moral issue.

Some treatments for cancer also have high death and complication rates; we can’t let the perfect be the enemy of the good.
 
OraLabora said:
Except that so far, psychotherapy has not worked in serious cases. Not for want if trying.
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If psychotherapy is ineffective, mutilate?
That’s just plain crazy.

Reminds me of the time, not too long ago, when frontal lobotomies were the answer to everything that science of the time didn’t understand.
 
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