"Straitjacketed" religion

[Elizium23]

youtube.com/watch?v=dgy-HpbTouc

"…most of the bishops attending the [Second Vatican]
Council had been formed in some kind of Aristotlean/Thomistic view, and would have had a unity of jargon, a unity of expression, a unity of ways of expressing the faith…; sometimes that was such a straitjacket that in the years that followed, there was a great deal of rejection, sometimes unthinking rejection, of a unified way of thinking about the faith…"

“…And if people today might be people who have reacted against too straitjacketed an approach to religion, there could be a reaction in the future against too strong a denial or de facto indifference to religion.”

 

[Linusthe2nd]

youtube.com/watch?v=dgy-HpbTouc

Have no idea what he is talking about. Intellectually at least we need a Thomistic revival and more training in classical languages. Both of these were sadly neglected after Vatican II.

 

[edward_george]

Have no idea what he is talking about. Intellectually at least we need a Thomistic revival and more training in classical languages. Both of these were sadly neglected after Vatican II.

I don’t know what you mean by this–most of my classes in the seminary are heavily rooted in Thomas, and there is a definite resurgence of Thomistic scholarship in Catholic academe. Also, classical languages are fairly widely studied nowadays too. If anything, the intellectual movements that led into Vatican II–principally aggiornamento and ressourcement–encouraged the Thomistic revival in recent decades, and not in a reactionary sense either. Both movements, especially ressourcement (of which school our current Holy Father definitely is) enriched and enlivened the more recent studies in Thomism.

-ACEGC

 

[Brendan]

Have no idea what he is talking about. Intellectually at least we need a Thomistic revival and more training in classical languages. Both of these were sadly neglected after Vatican II.

I don’t see that he is rejecting having a common theological language, in fact I read it as him being in favor of it.

He noted that such language was rejected post-Vatican II as confining, but not that such language was incorrect.

 

[Faithdancer]

I don’t see that he is rejecting having a common theological language, in fact I read it as him being in favor of it.

He noted that such language was rejected post-Vatican II as confining, but not that such language was incorrect.

He is Dominican which would generally indicate a great preference for the works of Aquinas.

I will second that at my college and seminary, as well, there is a strong emphasis on Thomistic philosophy. I think that, at least in the seminaries and colleges which are orthodox Catholic- such as those on the Cardinal Newman Society list- there is a strongly positive response to Pope John Paul II’s call for a return to Thomism. Deo gratias!

 

[Melchior_1]

There are many schools within the Church, and perhaps the message is that we shouldn’t confine ourselves to a single school.

Thomism is all well and good, but there’s also Bonaventure and the Desert Fathers. The Carmelites look at some other writings too.

 

[Lancer]

“Thinking” and “expressing” the faith differently is not the problem…disobedience to the Magisterium and the local bishop is the problem…always has been and always will be.

Pax Christi

“Cheap grace is the grace we bestow on ourselves. Cheap grace is the preaching of forgiveness without requiring repentance, baptism without church discipline, Communion without confession… Cheap grace is grace without discipleship, grace without the cross, grace without Jesus Christ, living and incarnate.”

“When He was challenged by Jesus to accept a life of voluntary poverty, the rich young man knew he was faced with the simple alternative of obedience or disobedience. When Levi was called from the receipt of custom and Peter from his nets, there was no doubt that Jesus meant business. Both of them were to leave everything and follow. Again, when Peter was called to walk on the rolling sea, he had to get up and risk his life. Only one thing was required in each case-to rely on Christ’s word, and cling to it as offering greater security than all the securities in the world.”

― Dietrich Bonhoeffer, The Cost Of Discipleship

goodreads.com/author/quotes/29333.Dietrich_Bonhoeffer

 

[walker_the_virg]

Have no idea what he is talking about. Intellectually at least we need a Thomistic revival and more training in classical languages. Both of these were sadly neglected after Vatican II.

More like you like dick. ooooh!

 

[corsair]

My experience with Dominicans has been very good. However this Dominican seems to be talking in Vatican II, “slippery speak”.

Certainly not easy to follow.

 

[Linusthe2nd]

I don’t know what you mean by this–most of my classes in the seminary are heavily rooted in Thomas, and there is a definite resurgence of Thomistic scholarship in Catholic academe. Also, classical languages are fairly widely studied nowadays too. If anything, the intellectual movements that led into Vatican II–principally aggiornamento and ressourcement–encouraged the Thomistic revival in recent decades, and not in a reactionary sense either. Both movements, especially ressourcement (of which school our current Holy Father definitely is) enriched and enlivened the more recent studies in Thomism.

-ACEGC

That is good news. Would you as that is universally true in the U.S., the rest of the world?

 

[edward_george]

That is good news. Would you as that is universally true in the U.S., the rest of the world?

I can only speak for the place where I am at with any certainty, but from what I’ve gathered from my professors other universities are seeing this as well.

-ACEGC

 

[DCNBILL]

I can only speak for the place where I am at with any certainty, but from what I’ve gathered from my professors other universities are seeing this as well.

-ACEGC

I would say the same thing about our seminary as well.