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We are having a Parish Mission this week. Smething I usually look forward to, because often the guest speaker has a new or different perspective on things, and it can be really helpful.

I went to the daily Mass this morning which was being celebrated by our guest priest. He announced that since he would be giving a short mission talk after the Mass that he would dispense with the homily. I thought, odd, but I can live with that I suppose. He made some introductory comments about the feast day of Josophat (sp?) and his martyrdom. No problem there.

Then he began the Penitential Rite… which was then blended into more teaching about Josophat… which was, almost like an afterthought, turned into a prayer about sins against the Church’s unity, which dumped straight into the kyrie. This seemed like a bit of a train wreck, but I got over it pretty quickly.

Soon it came time for the Gospel reading, which he interupted three times to explain what he was reading to the point that it was actually difficult to tell where the reading began/ended and his words began. At this point I found myself praying the Divine Praises silently to myself rather than listening to anything else he said, because it just seemed so disrespectful to the Word of God. Then, just as he said, he skipped the homily and jumped straight to the prayers (though it seemed to me that he’d actually skipped the Gospel reading and given the homily without it).

Next came the Eucharistic Prayer. The Epiclesis was normal-- the words of Consecration went as always… then, just as he was coming to the last section of the Eucharistic Prayer, he interupts himself again to explain that at this point we always pray for our dead. He went on for some bit. At this point I couldn’t take anymore. I picked up my purse and quietly excused myself, as if making an emergency exit for the restroom. As the door closed behind me, he was starting to suggest that the congregation join in saying some traditional (albeit completely misplaced stuck into the Mass at this point) prayers for the dead before closing with the Doxology.

I am in shock. Of course, it was a valid Mass-- the Consecration took place. Yet somehow it resembled a free for all Communion service instead… What do I do? Was I right to leave? Should I have staid? Do I ignore it? Do I go back as if nothing is amiss tomorrow morning? Do I talk to this priest about my problem with this? Or my pastor?

I just don’t get why a priest would skip the homily only to cut apart the liturgy and insert it where it doesn’t belong in scattered pieces throughout the Mass. This makes no sense to me. It made everything disjointed and hard to follow. It all but ripped me out of my mode of prayer. There are a lot of odd little things that go on at my parish, most of which can be written off to attendees not getting what we are doing at Mass to begin with. But this was beyond anything I’ve ever witnessed before. Yet, I feel somehow disobedient in allowing myself to get upset and walking out. No one else did so, after all, and being that this was part of the mission, there were far more people in attendance than usual.

Fortunately there will be another Mass later, and one of our own priests will celebrate it. But I find myself wondering if I need to go to Confession first.

Needless to say, I am quite confused at this point.
 
I don’t think you did anything inappropriate - your mode of departure was respectful. You can certainly mention this to your Pastor, and perhaps should. Is this same priest going to be the speaker and celebrate mass every day of the Mission? If so, I think I would skip it if I were in your situation – you can go to some other mass instead.
 
I agree that you didn’t really do anything inappropriate, but here’s a different angle. Since you agree that a Consecration took place, it could be extrapolated that basically you walked out on Jesus.

I think that it might have been better to bring this up with the priest himself, or even your pastor, and let him know that it was disturbing to you. And I would have done it AFTER the Mass.

Maybe it would have been better if you had left before the Liturgy of the Eucharist. Sometimes we just need to offer this stuff up and address it later, especially if the Sacrament is valid.

Just my two cents.
 
I agree that you didn’t really do anything inappropriate, but here’s a different angle. Since you agree that a Consecration took place, it could be extrapolated that basically you walked out on Jesus.

I think that it might have been better to bring this up with the priest himself, or even your pastor, and let him know that it was disturbing to you. And I would have done it AFTER the Mass.

Maybe it would have been better if you had left before the Liturgy of the Eucharist. Sometimes we just need to offer this stuff up and address it later, especially if the Sacrament is valid.

Just my two cents.
Agreed. You had the opportunity to receive Jesus, and you didn’t. Don’t understand that I’m saying you did something sinful per se, I’m not. What I’m saying is, you had the opportunity to receive God :), and you let yourself be distracted from Him by other stuff.

Now those were extremely legitimate concerns - the various abuses that occurred were very disrespectful to the Lord and to His Church, and you certainly ought to be upset with them.

But at the same time, it’s Jesus. Just as we have to put up with all sorts of sin in the world in order to be with Him (for instance, humbly bearning an injustice), we ought to be willing to bear some abuse of the Liturgy in order to receive Him - if that’s our only opportunity. If you had another Mass you could attend, I’d say leave and go to that one.

I guess what I’m saying is, our faith is about God - about loving Jesus! 🙂 Don’t get so caught up in the things which are means to being with Him that you miss Him.
 
I agree that you didn’t really do anything inappropriate, but here’s a different angle. Since you agree that a Consecration took place, it could be extrapolated that basically you walked out on Jesus.
Well, there you go. I think that probably explains my misgivings about it all in a nutshell. Of course, it was Jesus! I absolutely believe that. but at the same time it upsets me terribly when I think He is being treated with disrespect… and at the hands of a priest? Though, I am sure this was not the priest’s intention (at least, I certainly HOPE it wasn’t). Certainly nothing he said was wrong or inappropriate. It was just that the liturgy was so totally disrupted by his random reordering of things…

And yes, Sam, I believe he is scheduled to celebrate the morning mass for us every day this week. But we do have an evening mass as well.

Thanks everyone for your advice.
 
Well, there you go. I think that probably explains my misgivings about it all in a nutshell. Of course, it was Jesus! I absolutely believe that. but at the same time it upsets me terribly when I think He is being treated with disrespect… and at the hands of a priest? Though, I am sure this was not the priest’s intention (at least, I certainly HOPE it wasn’t). Certainly nothing he said was wrong or inappropriate. It was just that the liturgy was so totally disrupted by his random reordering of things…

And yes, Sam, I believe he is scheduled to celebrate the morning mass for us every day this week. But we do have an evening mass as well.

Thanks everyone for your advice.
Looks like you will be going to evening Mass…Thats what I would do.
 
I am in shock. Of course, it was a valid Mass-- the Consecration took place. Yet somehow it resembled a free for all Communion service instead… What do I do? Was I right to leave? Should I have staid? Do I ignore it? Do I go back as if nothing is amiss tomorrow morning? Do I talk to this priest about my problem with this? Or my pastor?

Fortunately there will be another Mass later, and one of our own priests will celebrate it. But I find myself wondering if I need to go to Confession first.
I first want to offer my prayers for your experience. I believe you should have stayed, for the reason that several posters have brought up, Jesus was present. That being said, you do not need to go to confession before receiving Him again, as it seems clear that you were not intending any offence to Him. As for ignoring it, don’t! As other posters have said, talk to your pastor about it, if you’re not satisfied with that, consider speaking to another orthodox priest who you trust, and maybe even write to the bishop.
God bless
 
Hi Debra, Would I be out of place for asking if this mission priest is a Franciscan?
Thanks,
Rich
 
Hi Debra, you had no ill intent in leaving. If you do feel any guilt about leaving, why not just arrive 10 or 15 minutes early for your next Mass and kneel within sight of the tabernacle. Offer a prayer to Christ and assure Him your heart is with Him.
It will please Him.

Charles
 
I wonder if he thought he was doing an instructed Eucharist but didn’t let anyone in the congregation know.

😊
 
. . . What do I do? Was I right to leave? Should I have staid? Do I ignore it? Do I go back as if nothing is amiss tomorrow morning? Do I talk to this priest about my problem with this? Or my pastor? . . …
I would have stayed. It sounds like Jesus needed at least one friend there with him. :rolleyes:
 
I am in sympathy with the OP and I understand her feelings. I left Mass recently when a member of the congregation took it upon herself to “lead” us in singing. She couldn’t sing, the congregation wouldn’t sing and her caterwauling was so bad that I left at Communion. I feel terrible about it and have apologized to God.

Another time I left was at a Good Friday service where the priest sat in the front pew and almost all the service was done by lay people. They even had dramatic lighting and mood music during the Passion.

I know that I need to rise above this, but my feelings of uncharity toward those who are mucking up the Mass were getting so strong I had to leave.
 
I am in sympathy with the OP and I understand her feelings. I left Mass recently when a member of the congregation took it upon herself to “lead” us in singing. She couldn’t sing, the congregation wouldn’t sing and her caterwauling was so bad that I left at Communion. I feel terrible about it and have apologized to God.

Another time I left was at a Good Friday service where the priest sat in the front pew and almost all the service was done by lay people. They even had dramatic lighting and mood music during the Passion.

I know that I need to rise above this, but my feelings of uncharity toward those who are mucking up the Mass were getting so strong I had to leave.
That was not even an appropriate Good Friday liturgy. It went totally against Pachalis Sacramentalis big time. This needs to be taken to your local Ordinary.
 
MMy Dearest.

I am so sorry you had such a difficult experience. I have had similar situations as well … often with Priests who visit, and have their own “take” on promoting their personally beloved missions.

There is, I’m sure you know, a “chain-of command.” If you must, then go through that chain. It works!

Meanwhile, you have to simply abide … if only temporarily.

If the words of confection are spoken in accord with the norm, then it was a valid, if perhaps illicit, Mass.

I love that you left, actually. You turned away from the illicit, in order to not be tainted.

Jesus, I think, came into you even as you left.

Take this circumstance to your Confessor.

And do what is required, as you are instructed.

Pray Hail Marys for the offending priest. Pray for that Priest, yourself, and everyone else in the world, in such disturbing situations.

And, if you must (I’ve chosen that word carefully - the rest of you can bash me as/if you will) … turn away whenever such situations give you the “willies.”

Frankly, I think you did jus’ fine.

And whatever you decide to do as follow-up in terms of reporting this thru the chain-of command, please pray for that Priest. Pray our Hail Mary. She will protect you and him.

And always pray the wonderful prayer to St. Micheal the Archangel at the end of Mass, to protect you, your fellow congregants, and the Church.

That will give you much strength and succor.

May God Bless Your Sweet and Loving Soul,
MMR
 
If you walked out on Jesus then everyone who ever leaves a Catholic church at any time does the same. The priest’s unorthodox behavior upset you. If he stuck to the rubrics you would have not been troubled.

I walked out of a Mass once. The priest always had the habit of interupting prayers to make jokes and try to get a laugh. He might have missed his calling to be a standup comedian. At Mass he had a captive audience. It was all very irreverant and went on week after week. I found a different parish. Eventually this comedian priest was charged with molesting young men and removed from priestly activity and the diocese faced several millions in lawsuits over his abuse. That was about ten years ago. He disappeared from sight. I just hope he has not resurfaced in another diocese.
 
Our ex-pastor, before he retired and moved on, use to do this all of the time. His masses usually ran 10-15 minutes late because he was always pausing for a minute or two in various places “educating” us on various aspects of our faith.

Did you know that a “convenient” is an agreement between a stronger party (God) and a weaker party (us humans). Did you know that when Jesus said for a camel to enter through the “eye of the needle”, He wasn’t referring to a sewing needle but the side gate that led into a town and when the main gate was closed for the night, only that side gate could be used and it was extremely difficult to get a camel through it? Etc.

Learned all of these bits of information from our past monsignor.
 
Thanks everyone for the (name removed by moderator)ut.

I managed to get up the nerve to speak with the priest about it-- it is clear he meant no disrespect to the Lord or the Liturgy. Nor had he intended to create such distraction. It seems rather he got overly excited about the message he had to deliver and got carried away. Though the oddities did not disappear entirely the rest of the week, he did tone it way down.

Despite his quirks in saying Mass for us, I found I really got a lot out of the parish mission… When it came time to just let him speak outside the liturgy, he proved to be an amazing, and quite orthodox, teacher. He constantly referred to the Greek and Hebrew when discussing the meaning of the Scriptures. And unlike many of the missionaries we have hosted over the years, he talked about the unpopular and difficult stuff, instead of skipping out of it in order to keep attendance up.
 
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