Strange Tales from the Reformation

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John Calvin
The most important figure in the next generation of Reformers was, of course, John Calvin. As a young man in Paris, Calvin was active in the movement for reform within the Catholic Church, as a result of which he found it prudent to leave France in 1533. He went to Basel in Switzerland, where he came to adopt a more purely Protestant view of things. From 1536 to 1538 he lived in Geneva, where he worked on behalf of the city’s nascent reformation until the (Protestant, but tepidly so) city council expelled him. He sojourned in Strasbourg, Germany until 1541,when Geneva invited him to return to help overcome the city’s resistance — or indifference to the Reformed cause.

In Geneva, Calvin was able — despite occasional conflict arid failure to create a Church organization and social order consonant with his theological vision. Churches were run by elders, duly constituted pastors preached and taught, and deacons looked after the needs of the community. Moreover, the Genevans’ morals were now matters not only of social concern hut of criminal law: licentiousness, dancing, gambling, profane speech, improprieties of dress or comportment, irreverence or blasphemy, absence from church and all other forms of moral laxity were to be reported by community invigilators and punished by magistrates, often in a vividly public way. And false doctrine was not to be tolerated.

These measures point to certain profound differences between the Lutheran and Calvinist understandings of grace. Luther might well have regarded many of Calvin’s vice laws as signs of an excessive anxiety regarding personal righteousness, and even as a form of justification by works. Calvin, though, believed that the gift of justification really makes men and women righteous, and that any society made up of the elect should reflect the sanctity instilled in human hearts by grace, as evidence of God’s workings.

In most respects, the elements of Calvin’s theology were typically Protestant: the unique authority of scripture, the absolute gratuity of justification, the impotence of the human will to merit salvation, the uselessness of fasts and penances, and predestination.

In this last case, though, Calvin’s emphasis differed from that of Luther. No other theologian ever put so great a stress upon the sheer sovereignty of God, as an explanation of the mystery of God’s actions in creation and redemption. He went so far as to assert that God eternally foreordained even the original fall of humanity from grace, that he might by the working of his will display the glory of his sovereignty in the gratuitous salvation of the elect and in the fitting damnation of the derelict. This theology of absolute divine sovereignty became one of the most characteristic features of the high Reformed tradition.

The Curious Case of Michael Servetus
Whatever the Magisterial Reformation was, it certainly was not a movement for greater freedom of conscience — much less freedom of religion. The aim of reform was a stricter adherence to the rule of scripture (as interpreted by reforming theologians) and a renewal of piety and moral purpose among the faithful. But Protestant regimes were no more tolerant of aberrant theological opinions than were their Catholic counterparts.

Prime evidence of this would be the case of Michael Servetus (c. 1510-53), the Spanish physician, scholar of science, astrologer, discoverer of blood circulation and amateur theologian who — though a Catholic and attracted to the cause-of reform — offended against Protestant and Catholic orthodoxy alike by publishing two books (the first in 1531 ,the second in 1532) attacking the doctrine of the Trinity. and proposing in its place a kind of complex Unitarianism.

In 1534, a proposed debate in Paris between Servetus and John Calvin failed to -materialize, but Servtus clearly came in the years that followed to regard Calvin as his natural theological interlocutor. In 1546, he sent the manuscript of his treatise ‘The Restoration of Christianity’(which attacked Nicene theology as extra biblical) to Calvin in Geneva and attempted to initiate a dialogue by post. After a few exchanges, however; Calvin terminated the correspondence and even refused to return the manuscript: he also vowed to his fellow Genevan reformer Guillaume Farel (1489-1565) that, if Servetus ever came to Geneva, he would not be allowed to leave alive.

Calvin was as good as his word. In 1553, Servetus fleeing the inquisitor in Lyon entered Geneva where he was recognized, arrested and put on trial for heresy. Calvin argued forcefully in favor of execution, and — enraged by Servetus’ defense of his positions before the court — peevishly remarked that he would have liked to see the Spaniard’s eyes scratched out by chickens.

Servetus was convicted and sentenced to be burned at the stake. To his credit, perhaps, Calvin expressed a preference for quick and merciful decapitation. This did not prevent him later, however, from mocking Servetus’ cries of torment amid the flames.

For I do not disguise it that I considered it my duty to put a check so far as I could, upon this most obstinate and ungovernable man, that his contagion might not spread further.
John Calvin. Letter Regarding Servitus
September 1553

Nice guy, that John Calvin

More Strange Tales from the Reformation here:

payingattentiontothesky.com/2010/03/10/the-reformation/

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It also seems strange to me that a man who started a HUGE “movement” that emphasized social morality (which is a honorable thing) is father to a denomination that is split into at least 3 major factions over issues of homosexual behavior and abortion. It seems to me that if they truly carried Calvin’s moral vision they would be totally against such things rather than either in favor of or indifferent to them.
 
After a few exchanges, however; Calvin terminated the correspondence and even refused to return the manuscript: he also vowed to his fellow Genevan reformer Guillaume Farel (1489-1565) that, if Servetus ever came to Geneva, he would not be allowed to leave alive.
What kind of an attitude is that to adopt because you don’t happen to agree with what somebody in another country might be thinking? Never mind freedom of speech – Calvin couldn’t even allow freedom of thought. And yet one might reasonably have expected him to be open to biblical interpretations of all varieties since he championed the doctrine of Sola Scriptura.

Who can blame freethinking observers who come to the conclusion that the Bible, the whole Bible, and nothing but the Bible, is dangerous to your health?

Rhetorically,
Mick
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It also seems strange to me that a man who started a HUGE “movement” that emphasized social morality (which is a honorable thing) is father to a denomination that is split into at least 3 major factions over issues of homosexual behavior and abortion. It seems to me that if they truly carried Calvin’s moral vision they would be totally against such things rather than either in favor of or indifferent to them.
Well the point of the quote that I found so interesting was how a man of such vaunted “moral vision” was such a sleaze bag. I mean “mocking Servetus’ cries of torment amid the flames” is a little much, wouldn’t you agree?

BTW the post is another set of selections (these on the Reformation) from the David Bentley Hart book I’ve been reading.

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One wonders if Calvin burned Servetus because he had a premonition that his church would head that way, sooner or later.

Calvinism–>Puritanism–>Congregationalism–>Unitarianism. Not an ineluctable path, but apparently for some a seductive one.
 
Well the point of the quote that I found so interesting was how a man of such vaunted “moral vision” was such a sleaze bag. I mean “mocking Servetus’ cries of torment amid the flames” is a little much, wouldn’t you agree?

BTW the post is another set of selections (these on the Reformation) from the David Bentley Hart book I’ve been reading.

dj
Did you know, by the way, that one of DBH’s brothers is a RC priest, and the other a Continuing Anglican priest? Interesting family!
 
It also seems strange to me that a man who started a HUGE “movement” that emphasized social morality (which is a honorable thing) is father to a denomination that is split into at least 3 major factions over issues of homosexual behavior and abortion. It seems to me that if they truly carried Calvin’s moral vision they would be totally against such things rather than either in favor of or indifferent to them.
it is a source of wonder to me, as a student of history, why 3 countries with strong Reformed traditions, Netherlands, Scotland and Switzerland, now are arguable some of the most culturally “progressive” liberal and permissive and agressively resist any imposition of a public morality.
 
it is a source of wonder to me, as a student of history, why 3 countries with strong Reformed traditions, Netherlands, Scotland and Switzerland, now are arguable some of the most culturally “progressive” liberal and permissive and agressively resist any imposition of a public morality.
That doesn’t really prove much, though. I am not fan of the Reformed tradition, however, it has little, if anything, to do with the political and social climate of the nation. It proves as much as France and Spain being incredibly leftist, yet 90% Catholic, does.

Nor am I a fan of John Calvin. Yet, I’m not sure what anything posted about Michael Servetus has to do with the Reformation. The Catholics wanted Servetus burned at the stake as well.
 
That doesn’t really prove much, though. I am not fan of the Reformed tradition, however, it has little, if anything, to do with the political and social climate of the nation. It proves as much as France and Spain being incredibly leftist, yet 90% Catholic, does.

Nor am I a fan of John Calvin. Yet, I’m not sure what anything posted about Michael Servetus has to do with the Reformation. The Catholics wanted Servetus burned at the stake as well.
It should prove as a corrective to the attitude of superiority found in (let’s say) Foxe’s Book of Martyrs; “WE don’t do that stuff, no sir!” Well, Elizabeth may not have burned any Catholics at the stake, but she did hang a number of non-Protestants for treason…
 
it is a source of wonder to me, as a student of history, why 3 countries with strong Reformed traditions, Netherlands, Scotland and Switzerland, now are arguable some of the most culturally “progressive” liberal and permissive and agressively resist any imposition of a public morality.
Someplace I saw the comment that the Libertine is the grandson of the Puritan. When one finds the morality that one is taught is unachievable, one abandons all morality.
 
While I suspect Luther is the “false prophet” of Revelation fame, we need to be a bit careful about typifying Calvin, or even Luther, with 21st century eyes.

The Catholics burned people at the stake, the Protestants killed for their faith, and the death penalty was common around that time. Torture was used in prisons; heads were stuck on spikes on city walls; hanging, drawing and quartering was used for some offences.

We can’t really judge people from another generation with 21st century morals.

I mean, what would Calvin say about the way we 21st century moderns slaughter unborn children? He’d probably be shocked and disgusted.

As for the Netherlands, Switzerland, Scotland being liberal, or France and Spain being leftist, I wonder if the millions of dead from religious wars amongst others have left a long lasting European antipathy to religion? Germany lost at least a third of its population during the Thirty Years War. Since this was fought in the name of Christ by both sides, I wonder what that does to the reputation and relevance of Christianity in the mind of a modern German student studying history, or that Luther coined the term “final solution” in regard to the Jews?
 
That doesn’t really prove much, though. I am not fan of the Reformed tradition, however, it has little, if anything, to do with the political and social climate of the nation. It proves as much as France and Spain being incredibly leftist, yet 90% Catholic, does.

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I didn’t say it proved anything, but since Calvinism and reformed churches in general were imposed by governments in those countries, it follows that if the political and social climate changed from that earlier strict morality, then the religion itself changed too. I don’t know if those are still established religions with state preference, but it is notable that a culture which adhered for so long to the stricter state imposed morality must have changed drastically to a system where state law actually imposes a standard so loose that it actually threatens freedoms of those who are still observant of traditonal moraltiy (needle parks, euthanasia etc).
 
To repeat: Servetus was a notorious heretic and trouble maker whose fiery end in Catholic Spain would have been preceded by extensive torture.

Does the article provide an example of him “mocking Servetus” as he burned?

Also, if anyone calls you a sleazebag after you’re dead, I’ll do my best to call them to account and correct them.
 
Spun is quite right. I wonder if anyone will have the nerve to post a “Strange Tales from the Catholic Counter-Reformation”, maybe something about Jesuits abducting Huguenot babies to baptize them and raise them in convents.
 
The Catholics burned people at the stake, the Protestants killed for their faith, and the death penalty was common around that time. Torture was used in prisons; heads were stuck on spikes on city walls; hanging, drawing and quartering was used for some offences.
If the reformers had reformed these things, I could see myself as a reformed.
 
If the reformers had reformed these things, I could see myself as a reformed.
Ironically enough, it was, in fact the Protestant nations of Europe who were the first to do away with capital punishment.
 
While I suspect Luther is the “false prophet” of Revelation fame, we need to be a bit careful about typifying Calvin, or even Luther, with 21st century eyes.

The Catholics burned people at the stake, the Protestants killed for their faith, and the death penalty was common around that time. Torture was used in prisons; heads were stuck on spikes on city walls; hanging, drawing and quartering was used for some offences.

We can’t really judge people from another generation with 21st century morals.

I mean, what would Calvin say about the way we 21st century moderns slaughter unborn children? He’d probably be shocked and disgusted.

As for the Netherlands, Switzerland, Scotland being liberal, or France and Spain being leftist, I wonder if the millions of dead from religious wars amongst others have left a long lasting European antipathy to religion? Germany lost at least a third of its population during the Thirty Years War. Since this was fought in the name of Christ by both sides, I wonder what that does to the reputation and relevance of Christianity in the mind of a modern German student studying history, or that Luther coined the term “final solution” in regard to the Jews?
But despite the abysmal average mediaeval performance, as modern man might perceive the case to be, it seems to me that there have always been Catholics who habitually rose far above the average. And because they lived and died in all godliness and dignity their citizenship was in heaven and they were eventually canonized as saints.

I think your points are valid, nevertheless. 🙂

Historically,
Mick
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