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babochka
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Beer is a Slavic custom. Liquid bread. 
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dochawk
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Classically, beer is bread, not wine. It was also generally weaker long ago. Itâs main value was that it had been boiled. Beer and bread was a typical US pilgrim breakfast.Nobody told us anything about beer.but I am supposing youâre not supposed to indulge during Lent so this must be very little too.
Modernly, wine is treated by many as all alcohol.
âRulesâ is the wrong way to view it; they are more goals, aspirations, and targets (in the East).
I donât know about coffeeâs status, but it is all I have before Eucharist on Sunday.
Not because I need or want my coffeeâwhile I enjoy sipping it, Iâm all but impervious to caffein, and have no cravings for it. Itâs simply that on an empty stomach, it calls attention to that emptiness (normally, it takes a day or two before Iâm hungry, and would miss many meals without my wife . . .) and is focusing. For that matter, the action of sipping on coffee is itself focusing, as that little action displaces the other distractions.
So caffeine only fazes my stomach and bladder, and not eating doesnât make me hungry. Coffee focus my fast.hawk
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Mary888
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Coffee is nice. I only drink it black. But itâs not too healthy for meâŚnot in a lot of quantity. Just some in the morning. More like a psychical addiction than physical. I gave it up for some timeâŚthe first 2 weeks I had headaches. Then they stopped. I can skip it now but many times I just miss the tasteâŚ
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alice24
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I´m wondering, is there a practice of fasting some days later you weren´t able to fast during lent? Or is sickness not a reason for this?
Currently, I need antibiosis and must not eat any milk products with it. As alcohol is taboo with this, too there is not much to fast. I try to eat no meat and I can´t skip oil right now because of the health issues. After ten days, I have to eat much milc products to regenrate as the doctor said, so, again, no real lent. A bit sad. Because of this I´m asking.
Currently, I need antibiosis and must not eat any milk products with it. As alcohol is taboo with this, too there is not much to fast. I try to eat no meat and I can´t skip oil right now because of the health issues. After ten days, I have to eat much milc products to regenrate as the doctor said, so, again, no real lent. A bit sad. Because of this I´m asking.
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PiperGal
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My family came from the Eastern Byzantine Rite and they did not eat meat ALL Lent, but did the total fast on Fridays and other days that a meat fast is required.
Tis_Bearself
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I have a question about this âstrict Eastern Lenten fastâ.
The websites I read all said that âoilâ was on the list of forbidden stuff.
But I just read some other website of Serbian recipes for Lent, and almost all of them contain oil.
So, is oil allowed or not? Or is there some differentiation between kinds of oil?
Is olive oil or vegetable oil allowed, while oil made from animal fat is not?
The websites I read all said that âoilâ was on the list of forbidden stuff.
But I just read some other website of Serbian recipes for Lent, and almost all of them contain oil.
So, is oil allowed or not? Or is there some differentiation between kinds of oil?
Is olive oil or vegetable oil allowed, while oil made from animal fat is not?
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eagerbeaver
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For most of us Slavs - vegetable oil may be used, but usually only if absolutely necessary for cooking.
At weekends or Feasts when the Fast is mitigated , you will see on Calendars , indications of what is permitted - e.g. on most weekends Wine is permitted , for Annunciation [ unless itâs in Great and Holy Week or another occasion which takes liturgical precedence] Fish is permitted. The Calendar will normally give details of the degree of mitigation.
At weekends or Feasts when the Fast is mitigated , you will see on Calendars , indications of what is permitted - e.g. on most weekends Wine is permitted , for Annunciation [ unless itâs in Great and Holy Week or another occasion which takes liturgical precedence] Fish is permitted. The Calendar will normally give details of the degree of mitigation.
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Spyridon
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The majority of Easterners donât follow the âno oilâ part - most of them only observe the no meat or dairy part. Which is why youâll find many lenten recipes calling for oil - but Iâm sure you notice meat and dairy are absent.
And by oil it specifically means olive oil, but if you were fasting from oil it would ideally be any sort of oil.
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Spyridon
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And on that note:
https://www.holytrinityorthodox.com/calendar/index.htm
Today is a âfood without oilâ day for the Russian Orthodox - so it is recommended you fast from meat, dairy, and oil today.
https://www.holytrinityorthodox.com/calendar/index.htm
Today is a âfood without oilâ day for the Russian Orthodox - so it is recommended you fast from meat, dairy, and oil today.
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babochka
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Technically, according to the ancient practice, only olive oil is prohibited. Of course, the Greeks pretty much only used olive oil, not other kinds of vegetable oils. In practice, I have only met one person in real life who abstains from oil. That might at the Monastery. Iâve only been there on weekends, when oil is allowed.
Different regions have different customs, too. Slavs pretty much allow fish throughout Lent, in my experience. My parish is having a Fish-Fry on Lazarus Saturday.
Tis_Bearself
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The Romanian Orthodox Cathedral in my town has the best Lent Friday fish fry in the city for at least the last 40 years now. Tons of Roman Catholics go there, lines out the door, traffic jams in the large parking lot.
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Mary888
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Heeheehee this what a priest once said at TV about all those super orthodox people and the orthodox coolness of it all who know the answer to everything and feel up in heavens already - ââwhen I read on the internet titles such as ââmonastery fasting recipesââ and you find there all sort of types of cool vegan cooking I am speechless. Do you people even know what a monastery fast is supposed to be like? Every day during Lent only bread and water in the evening. And prayer all day. As long as youâre not doing that, itâs not fasting in a monastery.ââ
In theory there is no oil allowed except Sundays and Saturdays when wine is also allowed. On March 25th - The Good Notice (? I am not sure how this translates) when also fish allowed.
The Greeks eat seafruits because they say these are fruits (with eyes lol!) and this is their custom and it is as it is.
The whole point is not going vegan for Lent but of fasting, a dedication to God, feel guilty about sins, feel remorse, ask God for help, forgive those who hurt you⌠and the food restrictions are about helping your concentrate better on the spiritual life. And especially like St, Paysios said ââfast from human fleshââ - he called eating human flesh when one gossips or otherwise uses his/her tongue to harm another.
On a personal note - this Friday I ate oil AND seafruits because we had party with coworkers for the firm, drank 3 long islands, red wine and today I ate stuff with oil too. Just so I donât want to give the impression that I can actually do it. I am however happy of keeping up my prayers and managed not to argue with ppl I often argue with.
In theory there is no oil allowed except Sundays and Saturdays when wine is also allowed. On March 25th - The Good Notice (? I am not sure how this translates) when also fish allowed.
The Greeks eat seafruits because they say these are fruits (with eyes lol!) and this is their custom and it is as it is.
The whole point is not going vegan for Lent but of fasting, a dedication to God, feel guilty about sins, feel remorse, ask God for help, forgive those who hurt you⌠and the food restrictions are about helping your concentrate better on the spiritual life. And especially like St, Paysios said ââfast from human fleshââ - he called eating human flesh when one gossips or otherwise uses his/her tongue to harm another.
On a personal note - this Friday I ate oil AND seafruits because we had party with coworkers for the firm, drank 3 long islands, red wine and today I ate stuff with oil too. Just so I donât want to give the impression that I can actually do it. I am however happy of keeping up my prayers and managed not to argue with ppl I often argue with.
Tis_Bearself
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I have been pondering how fasting might actually help one concentrate on the spiritual life.
From my experience, going without food (or on strictly reduced food amount) for the first couple of days is physically uncomfortable, so it is basically penance.
After that, if you continue to go without food (or on strictly reduced food amount), your body adjusts, so itâs no longer so painful. You might also feel some slight euphoria or some other âspiritualâ feeling. Perhaps this is what people mean when they say things like it reminds them that all they need is God, or it makes them feel closer to God.
I will say it does free up time in your day, that you can use for prayers or meditation or whatever, if you are not as concerned with getting or cooking food, although I would imagine in a monastery there are a few people tasked with handling the food for the group so each member is not as focused on getting himself food individually as those of us in the outside world, where we each must get our own meals.
From my experience, going without food (or on strictly reduced food amount) for the first couple of days is physically uncomfortable, so it is basically penance.
After that, if you continue to go without food (or on strictly reduced food amount), your body adjusts, so itâs no longer so painful. You might also feel some slight euphoria or some other âspiritualâ feeling. Perhaps this is what people mean when they say things like it reminds them that all they need is God, or it makes them feel closer to God.
I will say it does free up time in your day, that you can use for prayers or meditation or whatever, if you are not as concerned with getting or cooking food, although I would imagine in a monastery there are a few people tasked with handling the food for the group so each member is not as focused on getting himself food individually as those of us in the outside world, where we each must get our own meals.
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Mary888
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I donât how and itâs no recipe but it happened to me. Just this small signs like being really hungry and thinking I canât do it anymore, itâs not for me, and I say a prayer in my head and nothing happens apparently. Then I forget about it and one day is gone I didnât think I can actually do it. Or hearing the small voice in my head saying donât, donât, donât, and the one saying ââwhy not this and that?ââ
Or being hungry, physically weak according to medicine, and I have to pass through freezing cold. The docs would say for sure I will catch a cold. But I didnât. This is not the first it has happened to me during fasting days.
Or thinking about the fact that itâs Lent during the day when I am at work just because I feel uncomfortable. Like I donât forget. It helps me.
I also think of the fact that even Jesus had to fast to talk with God so then I must do it if I want to talk to Him and I do. And since I know myself enough that just living just isnât enough, I want stranger things in it, this small mortification is a way that helped me gather around my faith and not just wish I would do it but do it. With all the fear that comes with it that I may be wanting something I canât do and thatâs it time to accept it. I also concentrate on reading better because I do have always had a small amount of ADHD and also there are times when I just let my thoughts wander until this affects my life in a negative way like for example if I have a deadline at work and then I stress even though that solves nothing. It has been like that since school started and I simply canât change that about myself on myself. But with God during fasting periods things get easier. He helps me and I feel close to Him and dread difficult situations less.
And dedicating it for penance of my sins helps me. Since I canât change the past and it is out of my control this fasting is like one thing I can do now. And itâs just as real as when I sinned. Sin is real so is fasting. Both happen here in the world and I donât need huge philosophical understanding of trusting God who I canât see it except in icons. And questions about why I am here in the first place when the world gets me down happen not so often during Lent.
Or being hungry, physically weak according to medicine, and I have to pass through freezing cold. The docs would say for sure I will catch a cold. But I didnât. This is not the first it has happened to me during fasting days.
Or thinking about the fact that itâs Lent during the day when I am at work just because I feel uncomfortable. Like I donât forget. It helps me.
I also think of the fact that even Jesus had to fast to talk with God so then I must do it if I want to talk to Him and I do. And since I know myself enough that just living just isnât enough, I want stranger things in it, this small mortification is a way that helped me gather around my faith and not just wish I would do it but do it. With all the fear that comes with it that I may be wanting something I canât do and thatâs it time to accept it. I also concentrate on reading better because I do have always had a small amount of ADHD and also there are times when I just let my thoughts wander until this affects my life in a negative way like for example if I have a deadline at work and then I stress even though that solves nothing. It has been like that since school started and I simply canât change that about myself on myself. But with God during fasting periods things get easier. He helps me and I feel close to Him and dread difficult situations less.
And dedicating it for penance of my sins helps me. Since I canât change the past and it is out of my control this fasting is like one thing I can do now. And itâs just as real as when I sinned. Sin is real so is fasting. Both happen here in the world and I donât need huge philosophical understanding of trusting God who I canât see it except in icons. And questions about why I am here in the first place when the world gets me down happen not so often during Lent.
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