Structure of the Catholic church

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I’m not sure if this is the best forum for this question, but as I’m studying the Catholic faith I’m having a hard time figuring out its structure. I know the Pope is at the top and the parish priests are maybe at the bottom??, but where does everything else fit in?

Who are the bishops, as opposed to the cardinals, as opposed to all the different orders of monks and nuns? And what is the curia and all those other offices you see on the Vatican site? And then on the radio they were talking about the Jesuits and their Provincial…

How many orders are there? In my hometown of Niagara Falls, ON, we seem to have a lot of Carmelites, I think they are called? There is an old monastery here that is still being used as a retreat centre and it is run by these folks. Does each order have its own structure and titles? How do they relate to say a diocesan bishop of an area?

~one totally confused Protestant. 🤷
 
Hi there 🙂

There are a lot of religious orders and each one shares the good news in their own unique way.For many religious orders their is a head figure in the order known as the Superior General.

The difference between bishops and cardinals is that cardinals elect the pope and advise him on church issues and doctrine. Cardinals are usually bishops before becoming cardinals. Cardinals sometimes are archbishops.
 
But who elects the bishops? And who elects the archbishops? And who makes them cardinals? And are the orders under the Pope ultimately or do they only submit to their own Superiors?

Oh, and how do nuns in a convent celebrate mass if their are no men in the convents? I thought women aren’t allowed to celebrate mass? And who would they confess to if their is no priest?
 
But who elects the bishops? And who elects the archbishops? And who makes them cardinals? And are the orders under the Pope ultimately or do they only submit to their own Superiors?

Oh, and how do nuns in a convent celebrate mass if their are no men in the convents? I thought women aren’t allowed to celebrate mass? And who would they confess to if their is no priest?
There are no elections in the Catholic Church other than for the pope. Cardinals and Bishops and Priests are assigned.

Basically it would go like this (I think)

Deacons- Service of a Bishop and are generally assigned to assist at parishes
Parochial Vicar Priest- “Assistant” Priest of a parish (a second or third or fourth priest)
Parish Priest or Parish Pastor- In charge of a parish
Bishop- In charge of a geographical area, mine is in charge of Orange County California

Some Large Diocese have an Archbishop. This is a designation for a bishop with a very large diocese.

Deacons report to Bishop and possibly a priest in a parish
Priests all report to their bishop.

All Bishops report only to the Vatican. To the Pope (Technically) although there are lots of groups and Bishops and Cardinals who are designated to over see other areas.

For example the US Conference of Catholic Bishops is a unifying body made up of all the Bishops of the United States. They have a president and officers, the former president was Timothy Dolan, but I can’t recall who the new one is.

Cardinals are Appointed by the Pope. They are generally Bishops, but may be priests or deacons.

They are given a status in the church by the Pope and they are the ones who will elect the next Pope. They also oversee Archdiocese’s and hold positions in the Curia. The Curia is the governing body of the church.

Hopefully this helps.

For your second part. Women in convents either go to church for mass, or a priest goes to them for mass. Same with confession.
 
But who elects the bishops? And who elects the archbishops? And who makes them cardinals? And are the orders under the Pope ultimately or do they only submit to their own Superiors?

Oh, and how do nuns in a convent celebrate mass if their are no men in the convents? I thought women aren’t allowed to celebrate mass? And who would they confess to if their is no priest?
The bishops are appointed by the Pope. Archbishops are just Bishops, but the area they are responsible for is called an Archdiocese–usually a very large Diocese, or an area of smaller Dioceses each having their own Bishop.

The Pope appoints the Cardinals. There are only 3 levels of ordination–Deacon, Priest, Bishop. Cardinals usually are Bishops who vote for a Pope. They may also be the Bishop of a Diocese or Archdiocese, or they may be called to work in the Vatican. Priests and Bishops may have extra titles, but there are only 3 levels of ordained clergymen, as I said before. The Pope is a Bishop–the Bishop of Rome. Our current one was a Cardinal and Archbishop of Buenos Aires, Argentina.

Men don’t live in convents, but a convent usually has a chapel and a priest either from an Order or from the Diocese will come to the convent to say Mass, even in the cloistered convents. Or, as in the case of the sisters who serve my parish, they live in a convent near a parish which does not have a chapel, and they attend Mass at the parish. All sisters and nuns confess to a priest, either when he comes to hear confessions, for those enclosed in a convent, or in a parish if they are active orders.

There is a difference between Sisters and Nuns. Here is a nice explanation:
anunslife.org/resources/sister-or-nun

Hoe this helps.
 
I’m not sure if this is the best forum for this question, but as I’m studying the Catholic faith I’m having a hard time figuring out its structure. I know the Pope is at the top and the parish priests are maybe at the bottom??, but where does everything else fit in?

Who are the bishops, as opposed to the cardinals, as opposed to all the different orders of monks and nuns? And what is the curia and all those other offices you see on the Vatican site? And then on the radio they were talking about the Jesuits and their Provincial…

How many orders are there? In my hometown of Niagara Falls, ON, we seem to have a lot of Carmelites, I think they are called? There is an old monastery here that is still being used as a retreat centre and it is run by these folks. Does each order have its own structure and titles? How do they relate to say a diocesan bishop of an area?

~one totally confused Protestant. 🤷
Sounds like you will get a lot of good answers. I’m afraid I can’t help much. this stuff still confuses me and I was born and raised Catholic…😃
So don’t feel like you are alone in this.

Peace
James
 
Okay, so far so good.

But…

I stilll don’t understand the monks/brothers. Are all of them priests? Are all priests part of an order? If a diocesan priest is part of an order, is he accountable to the bishop, his order, or both? Is Francis part of an order?

Oh, and if monks are not priests, then what do they do and how do they get paid?
 
Okay, so far so good.

But…

I stilll don’t understand the monks/brothers. Are all of them priests? Are all priests part of an order? If a diocesan priest is part of an order, is he accountable to the bishop, his order, or both? Is Francis part of an order?

Oh, and if monks are not priests, then what do they do and how do they get paid?
Some monks are priests. Some are not. They are lay religious like nuns.

Not all priests are part of an order. Diocesan priests generally are not. A priest from an order may be loaned out from his order to the diocese. Or a diocese may utilize an order for many of their priests.

As far as payment it depends on the order, but they typically live communally and take vows of poverty. This means the order pays for their food and lodging and minimal belongings They don’t own property or cars. The Franciscans for example, hold everything in common. Even books and computers etc…

Pope Francis is a Jesuit. Part of an order.
 
Okay, so far so good.

But…

I stilll don’t understand the monks/brothers. Are all of them priests? Are all priests part of an order? If a diocesan priest is part of an order, is he accountable to the bishop, his order, or both? Is Francis part of an order?

Oh, and if monks are not priests, then what do they do and how do they get paid?
A monk is the male counterpart to a nun. They live in monasteries/cloisters, which means that they live away from the world. Not all monks are priests, no. Some are, some aren’t.

A religious brother is the male counterpart to a religious sister.

Here’s the thing: all monks are brothers and all nuns are sisters, but not all brothers are monks and not all sisters are nuns. For example, male Benedictines are monks, but male Franciscans are what we call friars. They are both brothers, just different kinds.

A monk is sort of a type of brother, a nun is a type of sister.

No, not all priests are part of an order. Many priests are diocesan or “secular” priests, which doesn’t mean they are secularists or something, it just means that they live in the world and get a paycheck and can go to the store whenever they need to and are in charge of their lives and manage their own affairs generally.

A diocesan priest, with a few technical exceptions which are probably too confusing for this thread, is not part of an order. However, priests who are part of orders can work in dioceses. So you will see Franciscans staffing parishes sometimes, for example. In this case, they are accountable to the bishop for their ministry in the parish to the parishioners, but are ultimately accountable to their superior in the Franciscan order for everything else to include their ministry in the parish. They can move around to different ministries but they are still Franciscans.

Pope Francis is a member of an order, yes. He is a Jesuit, a member of the Society of Jesus, a male religious order.

Some monks are priests, some are not. Monks and nuns get paid typically by selling things. They make make beer, cheese, bread. They may sell books. They may give spiritual retreats which they charge for. Monks may teach in universities. They do lots of different things for money.
 
Okay, so far so good.

But…

I stilll don’t understand the monks/brothers. Are all of them priests? Are all priests part of an order? If a diocesan priest is part of an order, is he accountable to the bishop, his order, or both? Is Francis part of an order?

Oh, and if monks are not priests, then what do they do and how do they get paid?
Brothers are usually not priests. Monks live in a monastery and may or may not be priests. However, in some orders, they all call themselves “Brother”. It really varies from order to order, and I am not that familiar with it. There are active and contemplative orders, as with the women. The head of the order is usually called the Superior, and the men answer to him instead of the Bishop. It is very complicated, someone else with more knowledge will have to explain this. Priests who belong to an order are called religious priests. They take solemn vows.

Diocesean priests do not belong to an order and are called secular priests. They answer to the Bishop. They do not take solemn vows, they make promises to the Bishop. They do not take a vow of poverty and may own things, inherit money, etc. Most, however, do not live lavish lifestyles.

The diocesean priests are paid by the diocese. The religious orders hold things in common, if they are in an active order and in a profession that has a salary, it goes to their order. Some monasteries make and sell products and also depend on donations for their support. You can get some really good products from these monasteries.

Our Pope is a member of an order, the Jesuits, but most Popes are not.
 
I know the Pope is at the top and the parish priests are maybe at the bottom??

Who are the bishops, as opposed to the cardinals, as opposed to all the different orders of monks and nuns? And what is the curia and all those other offices you see on the Vatican site?

How many orders are there?

How do they relate to say a diocesan bishop of an area?
There are 3 levels of ordained clergy: Deacons, priests, and bishops. All deacons and priests are under a bishop. Bishops are the successors of the Apostles. The Pope is the Bishop of Rome and, as the Successor of St. Peter in that office, is the senior bishop. All Latin rite bishops are appointed by the Pope. Some Eastern rite bishops and patriarchs are elected.

Some priests are members of religious orders and will have a superior in that order. Religious order priests are also responsible to their bishop. This is not as confusing as it seems as the orders and the bishop will work together. Men and women religious take solemn vows. Religious sisters and brothers are lay people. They are invited to a diocese by the bishop. There are many, many religious orders, some now extinct.

The Roman curia are simply the bureaucrats/administrators at the Vatican. Cardinals are the Pope’s top advisers. Almost all cardinals are bishops.
 
The various orders in the Church suit certain personalities and are a great help to their spiritual life, and give service to others.

Their rule of life needs to be approved by the pope, but they answer to their own superiors.

Those orders that have their members enclosed in monasteries or cloisters have the gift of the charism of prayer. By their prayers they help build up the Body of Christ, the Church. They also have work to do, and time for recreation.
 
But who elects the bishops? And who elects the archbishops? And who makes them cardinals? And are the orders under the Pope ultimately or do they only submit to their own Superiors?

Oh, and how do nuns in a convent celebrate mass if their are no men in the convents? I thought women aren’t allowed to celebrate mass? And who would they confess to if their is no priest?
The Church is not a democracy. The Bishops ordain priests after many years of study. These are priests of the diocese and these are geographic areas.
Priests and brothers (who do not have holy orders and cannot say Mass or hear confessions) are chosen by the superiors of the various Orders such as the Jesuits, Dominicans, Franciscans, Carmelites and all the other numerous orders authorised by the Pope.
Nuns are also within these and other orders with special vocations to nurse, teach, pray etc.They have visiting priests that come to say mass if they are an enclosed order (can’t leave their convent) or may visit the local church for mass if they work in schools or hospitals for example.
The Orders are separate from the Bishops and Archbishops and Cardinals who are restricted to geographic areas, are able to go anywhere they are ordered to and their vocations can take them all over the world. They take vows of Obedience, Chastity and Poverty whilst most diocesan priests do not take a vow of poverty.However when order priests work within a geographic area of a diocese they normally take authority from the Bishop or Archbishop of that area.
Cardinals, Archbishops, and Bishops are chosen by the Pope after advice.
There are different groups such as Opus Dei and the Anglican Ordinate which have different Canonical status.
It is a highly complex organisation with the Curia in the Vatican like a bureaucracy under the authority of the Pope again to control the framework and finances.
As can be seen the Pope has the ultimate authority over almost all aspects of the Church, but of course cannot be everywhere at once.
 
Let’s start from scratch. There are only three Sacred Orders of clergy: 1) Bishops; 2) Priests; 3) Deacons.

Bishops are “overseers” and usually manage groups of parishes called a “Diocese.” A bishop has almost complete authority in his own diocese, as long as he doesn’t violate the Law or Faith of the Church (more on that later). Bishops exercise pastoral care over everyone in their diocese, in all aspects of the life of the Church. It is the bishop’s job to make sure Mass is available, Confessions are heard, and that the rules of the Church are followed. To be able to do this, a bishop can celebrate all Seven Sacraments.

However, a bishop can’t do all of this on his own, so he is assisted by Priests. Priest can celebrate most of the Sacraments, but they only celebrate any Sacrament with their bishop’s permission (and cannot ordain people at all). Most priests are pastors: they are responsible for the spiritual care of people living in a certain area, or belonging to a certain group. The bishop assigns this priest to say Mass, and minister to the people who go to his church. A priest leads this people, and helps them grow spiritually.

Priests are sometimes assisted by deacons, who help at Mass, and with the care of people in the parish.

Most priests and deacons work in parishes, but some help the bishop in different ways by teaching, managing offices for the diocese, or ministering to special places (nursing homes, prisons, hospitals, schools, et c.).

These are the three major divisions in clergy.

However, some bishops are given special honors. A bishop of a very large and important diocese (called an archdiocese) is given the title “archbishop.” A small group of bishops are chosen to become Cardinals, who advise the government of the Church as a whole, and elect the Pope. The Pope is a bishop who manages the Law of the Church, and exercises pastoral responsibility over all Christians. It’s important to recognize that the pope’s job isn’t to change the law, but to preserve it. This is why a pope cannot change Church teachings on subjects like abortion, homosexual marriage, and ordaining women.

While archbishops, cardinals, and popes may have special titles and responsibilities, they are still only bishops, someone is not ordained a pope, cardinal, or archbishop.

Likewise, some priests are honored with the title “Monsignor,” but they are not anything more than a regular priest: they are just recognized in a special way for their service.

Many priests, deacons, and bishops work together in a conglomerate of offices called the Roman Curia, which manage the Church as a whole. If the bishop has a question, or need help, he will go to the Curia, and the Curia will involve themselves if there is trouble with a bishop or priest.

There is another division of clergy that is separate from everything we’ve talked about so far. This is the division between secular and religious clergy.

Secular clergy are the priests you would often see at a church, and they are bound to serve a bishop, and serve that bishop and his successors for the entirety of their priesthood. These priests do not take a vow of poverty, but live simply, and are chaste celibates in the Western Church.

Religious clergy are men who belong to an Order, and are ordained to provide the Sacraments for the other people in that order.

Women Religious (that is, nuns and sisters) cannot be clergy, because women cannot be ordained. Usually, a priest-chaplain is assigned to provide the Sacraments for these women.

Different orders might have different jobs they work in. Common ones are teaching, working with the poor, running missions, or just praying for the world as a whole.

Please let me know if I missed anything or made any mistakes. I tried to make this as simple as possible, so I purposely didn’t touch on everything, but I tried to make this a good overview.
 
Ah yes, monsignors, I’d forgotten about those. So why would a priest be given the title monsignor? What sort of things would he be recognized for?
 
Ah yes, monsignors, I’d forgotten about those. So why would a priest be given the title monsignor? What sort of things would he be recognized for?
They were given the title “Monsignor” for some special extra service they were being recognized for.

I say “were”, because Pope Francis has done away with that title.
 
Please my posts below to a similar question

forums.catholic-questions.org/showpost.php?p=11832593&postcount=4
forums.catholic-questions.org/showpost.php?p=11833002&postcount=10

Note: my list includes not just Roman Rite Catholics, but the Eastern Catholics too.

Please note the following: in the Latin Church, the Patriarchs function as Archbishops because they all now typically follow the Roman Rite. But in the Eastern Church, the Patriarchs and Major Archbishops act as full Patriarchs, being the head of the entire Rite and/or Church.

Also, in the USA, we do not have a Prelate because the Bishops vote on a President for the USCCB for a few years. Nations with Prelates, such as Mexico and Argentina, have one Archbishop who is always the Head of their conference.

Hope this helps and God Bless
 
A couple of mistakes on this thread…
Priests all report to their bishop.
All deacons and priests are under a bishop.
Religious deacons and priests are under the superior of their community. These are in no way responsible to a bishop. The superior of the community is the authority for internal discipline and celebration of the sacraments, not the bishop.
They were given the title “Monsignor” for some special extra service they were being recognized for.

I say “were”, because Pope Francis has done away with that title.
Pope Francis has not done away with the title. He has stated that a priest must be 65 years old to be named a Monsignor but the title has not been done away with.

-Tim-
 
They were given the title “Monsignor” for some special extra service they were being recognized for.

I say “were”, because Pope Francis has done away with that title.
Francis hasn’t done away with the title, but changed the lower age limit as a way of discouraging careerism in the priesthood. I believe no one can be Monsignor before age 65 now.
 
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