Struggling to believe in Eucharist

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G2024 said:
I feel my faith in God slipping sometimes as I go and read these arguments people have and wonder, what’s the point of doing this at all if I’m gonna be in front of the throne of God one day only to be turned away?
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Why do you read stuff that makes you have doubt?
Some of us can read that and laugh because we know it’s not true.
If you’re not like that, and reading forums full of people spewing wrong ideas is going to make you doubt, then stop reading it. You’re not doing yourself any good.

The Church has 2000 years of experience in knowing “what Jesus meant”. Are you going to believe the Church or some stranger on the internet?

Why would God, who forgives murderers, turn you away over believing in the Eucharist? Of all the things for God to get all fired up about…

I think maybe you need to spend more time in Adoration absorbing the grace of Jesus and less time absorbing whatever garbage forum you found online.

I’ll pray for you.
 
AlNg said:
Does that mean that a Jew does not have life within him? If Jews have no life in them, how come so many of the Nobel prizes are won by Jews?
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What are you on about? How does the spiritual “life” spoken of by Jesus equate to somebody winning a Nobel Prize?
 
Tis_Bearself said:
What are you on about?
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I am on about this quote:
JimG said:
He said ‘unless you eat my body and drink my blood you have no life in you.’
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Jews have life in them. Intellectual life and Spiritual life. So it seems to me that this quote should be taken figuratively and not literally. And it was mentioned above, that millions of non-Catholic Christians take the Eucharist as a symbol and as a memorial of Jesus, but not His actual Body and His actual Real Blood.
 
First of all, Catholics do not believe the Eucharist is a “symbol”. I’m not responsible for what non-Catholics believe about it and frankly, i don’t really care as they are wrong. There is no benefit to me in sitting around analyzing their errors.

Second of all, “intellectual life” has nothing to do with anything on this thread. Whether someone has intellectual prowess has absolutely nothing to do with their spirituality. A person with an IQ in the mentally disabled range could very easily be closer to God than every Nobel Prize winner combined.

Third, it is likely that many good people have some form of spiritual life, but if they are not receiving Jesus’ Real Presence in the Catholic Eucharist, they do not have the true fullness of the spiritual life referenced by Jesus.
 
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Because heretics do heretic stuff.

Why do some deny Jesus’ divinity?

Why do some deny the trinity?

Heresy gonna heresy.
 
Tis_Bearself said:
it is likely that many good people have some form of spiritual life, but if they are not receiving Jesus’ Real Presence in the Catholic Eucharist, they do not have the true fullness of the spiritual life referenced by Jesus.
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The poster said that the words are pretty clear. But are they clear to millions of non-Catholics?
AlNg said:
He said ‘unless you eat my body and drink my blood you have no life in you.’
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The quote does not mention spiritual life, nor does it say the true fullness of spiritual life. The quote says ‘unless you eat my body and drink my blood you have no life in you.’ So the words “no life” are not taken literally. It does not mean “no life” It means the “true fullness of spiritual life” instead.
Catholics do not take the words “no life” literally and millions of non-Catholics do not take the words of the Eucharist literally.
So contrary to what a poster has written, these teachings are not clear to many millions of people.
 
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Think of intelligence and faith as two sections of an extension ladder.

We use our limited intellect to approach God, to learn about Him, to understand His will.
It’s quite limited. We have a puny intellect.

We then use faith as the second section of the ladder to get even closer to Him, because our intellect is so limited…we can’t understand God (or the Eucharist) fully with our puny intellect…but we must however use what intellect (and will) that we have, like the widow with two mites.

The only way to get more faith is to ask God for it. It’s an infused virtue. He may wait a bit before giving us more, watching to see if we use what faith and intellect He already gave us well.
 
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Catholics aren’t sola scriptura, and this type of passage is a good illustration of why we aren’t.
Some Scripture, like this passage, is pretty deep, and the average person benefits from the additional insights and teachings of theologians and the Magisterium.
 
AlNg said:
If you want to be his disciple, you must hate your mother and father.

If your eye causes you to commit sin, then pluck it out.

If your hand causes you to commit sin, then cut it off.
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Or does it say “the one who loves mother and father MORE than me is not worthy of me.”
"It would be BETTER for you to pluck out your eye… (if it causes you to sin)
"It would be BETTER for you to cut off your hand… (if it causes you to sin)

“BETTER for you to enter into eternal life maimed that burning in eternal fire…”
 
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Reading the Bible is not just about the words on the page. It’s about placing those words in proper context. Not only do we have the words of the Lord here, but we also have sacred tradition which says that the early Christians took Christ literally. We follow in their foot steps. Sacred Scripture + Sacred Tradition + Apostolic Authority.
 
Remember who Jesus was speaking to during the bread of life discourse. He was speaking to Jews. Jesus was the Jewish Messiah and he preached almost exclusively to Jews. While many did walk away from him during that discourse, many others believed, even though they did not understand. His Jewish Apostles believed, along with many others. I suspect that many who first walked away eventually came back. Jews were the original Catholics and most of the Church was Jewish until the Church began expanding it’s mission to the gentiles.
 
Through the Church, the proper context is available to those who seek it.
 
It’s a matter of perspective.

If you are expecting to just be able to “get it” on your own you are mistaken. The problem is that you are not using the scriptures as they were intended.
 
Well then by that definition, non Christians aren’t even taking it symbolically.
 
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