Struggling when thinking about islam

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hey guys,

i am a devout catholic and believe in the bible and have witnessed everything good about the church and about gods love and am currently in a seminar at my church that is 7 weeks in length to strengthen me even more

tonight i am thinking about islam because i know the factual differences and while i do not betray nor will i betray catholicism ever it bothers me to think that people (muslims) who can be just as devout have such radically different views espiecally on the most factual and fundamental things about christianity… what is worsse is that how can i say that everyy muslim will go to hell? when i think about the muslims that kills christians i dont know what to think

i need some help in this regard, to strengthen my faith and my resolve 😦
 
Be at Peace, brother. Let God judge. Do your part, love God, pray and let The Lord work in and through you. Then let God do what he does. We don’t know what happens to whom after death and we don’t need to. It’s not our place.
 
islam is filling unwanted doubts in my mind which i dont like, i tremble now before the lord and love christ as gods son it is the moments of doubt that trouble me
 
Everyone experiences doubt at some time, pray for peace and confidence. I guess I don’t know why Islam causes you to doubt. Are you considering converting? There’s nothing wrong with learning about other faiths, I read about and talk to members of other faiths, out of intellectual curiosity routinely. I’m not considering becoming a Buddhist or Hindu, but education, knowledge and understanding is never a bad thing.
There’s no point in worrying about things you can’t control. Like Padre Pio said, ‘pray, hope and don’t worry.’ I hope you find your peace.
 
hey thanks for your response, i am goign to pray alot tonight…

i am not considering converting to islam, but what bothers me is their factual views on our faith… like how jesus did not die on a cross and how he is not gods son… so i start to wonder why they think these things , maybe i wish iknew a bit more or could talk to a priest on the matter so that i dont have these doubts because they are big doubts because they are the most fundamental aspects of our faiht…

one thing is for surei will not convert because ihave expierenced the grace of god through christ and his church
 
Yes you raised a valid Question… There are actually a whole lot more of them than there are christians… and yes it seems they want to cover all of Earth’s Real estate…
and yes they would like to bump a few of us off… but not all of them think that way of course… my question which of us is Right ? Christian or Islam ?
Is it at all possible one is right and the other wrong ? depends on which side you ask of course… is it possible we are both right ? or Both completely Wrong ? Christians Had the Crusades they killed off a few… but never defeated them…
Could God have wanted it that way ?
Well… all I know is what I have been educated by the Catholic Church…
and when faced by such a question, I just think of … I think it’s Mark 10:15
accept like a child… thats without looking it up… well,thats my interpretation of how we should accept our faith, and leave the rest to God.
 
You can’t make yourself responsible for what other people believe, think, say or do. So it’s best not to put yourself in that position. You can’t change what a billion people believe or don’t believe. Focus on your relationship with God. If you’re suffering emotionally, offer that suffering in atonement for sins, yours and theirs. Just a thought that might help.
 
pwlj_christ87 said:
i am not considering converting to islam, but what bothers me is their factual views on our faith… like how jesus did not die on a cross and how he is not gods son…
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if they were told that Jesus DID die on the cross, and was God’s son, it is quite likely they would convert - so they are not going to tell the truth, are they?

Don’t worry - you know the truth, and that is all you should be worrying about at the moment.
 
It’s a bit long, but I find Jimmy Akin’s explanations very helpful. I’ve included a link below.

I can’t imagine anyone having zero doubts - even those who walked right along side Jesus and witnessed His miracles & heard His teachings firsthand had their doubts, and like them, we pray too:

“Lord, I believe. Help my unbelief.” … and He does 🙂

He prayed for us while He was with His disciples, right before He was arrested:

John 17:20-21 “My prayer is not for them alone. I pray also for those who will believe in me through their message, that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you. May they also be in us so that the world may believe that you have sent me."

God bless you my friend.

catholicfidelity.com/the-catechism-on-islam-by-james-akin/
 
pwlj_christ87 said:
hey guys,

i am a devout catholic and believe in the bible and have witnessed everything good about the church and about gods love and am currently in a seminar at my church that is 7 weeks in length to strengthen me even more

tonight i am thinking about islam because i know the factual differences and while i do not betray nor will i betray catholicism ever it bothers me to think that people (muslims) who can be just as devout have such radically different views espiecally on the most factual and fundamental things about christianity… what is worsse is that how can i say that everyy muslim will go to hell? when i think about the muslims that kills christians i dont know what to think

i need some help in this regard, to strengthen my faith and my resolve 😦
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I don’t believe God allowed Islam so as to make our Faith doubt. Islam has its own understanding toward God limited to its own source of revelation. We cannot fault Islam of its own shortcomings in accepting the whole picture of the Christian faith. It has some of it. I am certain God will someday call in Islam within a deeper understanding of who He is. I have a notion that Islam is very well connected to a group of similar people from the Gospels. They were the Samaritans. The Samaritans believed in the one God but had a different principals than what the mainline Jewish faith had. It seemed that the Jews did not like the Samaritans and would not associate with them. It is like today with the Christians and Moslems not associating with each other. But you will notice that Jesus did associate with the Samaritans unlike the Jews of His day. Jesus loved the Samaritan peoples and His associating with them won them over. Are not the Moslem peoples the Samaritans of our day? Jesus loves the Moslem people. Can we not accept them into our lives in the same example and principal as our Lord had did with the Samaritan peoples. Our relationships based on misunderstandings throughout the years have brought us into too many hostilities on both sides. We treat each other as the Jews and Samaritans had treated each other. We need to look at Jesus to know what He had done and what He will want us to do when making contacts with the Moslem people.
 
İf God had a son than God would declare this formerly before İsa(Jesus). Could God not see that some people will not believe in him? So God decided to send and sacrifice his Son!

When Jesus said ı am messenger from God and show miracles firtsly clerics did not believe because they had the Torah that meke them proud not to accept anything else.

Ofcourse Christian have Bibles( There are 4 and were more than 4?) but wich is the real and correct Bible that you can dare not to accept Quran which is actually is words of God with all letters.

İndeed Muslims worry about Christian because they reflect God partner in his state which is a very big sin. Allah(God) say that he will say the truth in Judgement Day.

God send Abraham and who believed Abraham will go heaven but Abraham was only a prophet not Son of God. Likewise Moses and other prophets and their’s faithful. Muhammed was a prophet and Muslims will go heaven too. Jesus was a prophet and Christian will go heaven. But some christian corrupt accordance. Than they must control their belifs.
 
See your private messages.

Not Peace But A Sword, the latest book by best-selling author Robert Spencer. This book may help your confusion.

Also, if you read the Koran (Qur’an) this may help you understand how the Muslim faith is so very different in their goals and thoughts of the afterlife. Do not let the devoutness and 5 times a day prayer convince you that the Muslim faith is truth. see below. My favorite quote.

The truth is still the truth if nobody believes it and a lie is still a lie, even if everyone believes it.
AB, Fulton J. Sheen.
 
You are Catholic. What does it meen to you? If you love God as you love your self you can not go wrong. And Muslims? Created by God no doubt, they just think in a different way, and that is their right. I know that it can be hard to understand other religions, and yes, some Muslims or members of any Islamic Church do things that is wrong. I can not help my self to tell you about a story in the newspaper I saw a while back. The kids of a Christian pastor in Middle East had been killed by Muslims. Big news! Breaking News. But as every story has, so have this, to sides, if three Muslim kids would have been killed by Christians that would have been a small piece of news on the last page. It is all about proportions. In what country it happen. Who did what. Why. Let us say it would have happen in Germany, or UK. No matter what religion they would have been practising, the crime would have been equal in size. The world we live in are not black and white, and that is what we must recognize willingly or not. Don’t hate your enemy, love him. That was what Christ told us to do, so don’t feel uncertain about what you think or struggle with. Follow The Bible, and your heart.
 
mhmtas said:
İf God had a son than God would declare this formerly before İsa(Jesus). Could God not see that some people will not believe in him? So God decided to send and sacrifice his Son!

When Jesus said ı am messenger from God and show miracles firtsly clerics did not believe because they had the Torah that meke them proud not to accept anything else.

Ofcourse Christian have Bibles( There are 4 and were more than 4?) but wich is the real and correct Bible that you can dare not to accept Quran which is actually is words of God with all letters.

İndeed Muslims worry about Christian because they reflect God partner in his state which is a very big sin. Allah(God) say that he will say the truth in Judgement Day.

God send Abraham and who believed Abraham will go heaven but Abraham was only a prophet not Son of God. Likewise Moses and other prophets and their’s faithful. Muhammed was a prophet and Muslims will go heaven too. Jesus was a prophet and Christian will go heaven. But some christian corrupt accordance. Than they must control their belifs.
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Show proof. Thanks.

MJ
 
I wouldn’t say I “considered” Islam myself but I did become interested in the faith after meeting a few Muslims at University.

What struck me from meeting them is that their faith is extremely important. Islam isn’t just a faith to them it’s a way of life which is exactly how I want to live within the Catholic faith.
 
pwlj_christ87 said:
hey thanks for your response, i am goign to pray alot tonight…

i am not considering converting to islam, but what bothers me is their factual views on our faith… like how jesus did not die on a cross and how he is not gods son… so i start to wonder why they think these things , maybe i wish iknew a bit more or could talk to a priest on the matter so that i dont have these doubts because they are big doubts because they are the most fundamental aspects of our faiht…

one thing is for surei will not convert because ihave expierenced the grace of god through christ and his church
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Well for starters that religions was not even founded untill around 610 AD that’s 580 years after our Lord’s crucifiction.

The Bible was almost 200 year’s old by this time since it had been canonically closed.

So is it not the case that this “revelation” had to be tested?
In the Bible the apostles warn us, if we receive some revelation from a “spirit” (and the prophet supposedly received his from the Archangel Gabriel) we must test it, (the spirit).
Ask him on whose name is he giving us the revelation.
For the dark one will try to fool us.

There is a fundamental difference. Muslims are taught that it is OK to kill in the name of “Allah/God”.
This is the reasoning by fundamentalist muslims for the justification on 9/11 and many other acts of terror.

Show me where does the Catholic Church teach this. 😦

The doctrine of just war can be applied for example at the crusades. They were responding at the aggression from the muslims in the sacred lands.

Turkey was the epicenter of the Eastern Church. Yet it was conquered by the muslims and any one that objected to converting to islam was killed, which was what they were doing in the Holy land by the way, hence the response for the crusades.

Please do not try arguing on the evils that the crusaders inflicted for war has this side effect, which is why the Catholic Church always always pleads for peace.

Show me anywhere in the 2000 years history of the Catholic Church where war was called for unilaterally without a prior aggression.

Hope you can discern all this truths as another poster suggested it is important for us to know the “truth” since as Jesus taught:

The truth shall set you free.

Peace 👍
 
JerryZ said:
Well for starters that religions was not even founded untill around 610 AD that’s 580 years after our Lord’s crucifiction.

The Bible was almost 200 year’s old by this time since it had been canonically closed.

So is it not the case that this “revelation” had to be tested?
In the Bible the apostles warn us, if we receive some revelation from a “spirit” (and the prophet supposedly received his from the Archangel Gabriel) we must test it, (the spirit).
Ask him on whose name is he giving us the revelation.
For the dark one will try to fool us.

There is a fundamental difference. Muslims are taught that it is OK to kill in the name of “Allah/God”.
This is the reasoning by fundamentalist muslims for the justification on 9/11 and many other acts of terror.

Show me where does the Catholic Church teach this. 😦

The doctrine of just war can be applied for example at the crusades. They were responding at the aggression from the muslims in the sacred lands.

Turkey was the epicenter of the Eastern Church. Yet it was conquered by the muslims and any one that objected to converting to islam was killed, which was what they were doing in the Holy land by the way, hence the response for the crusades.

Please do not try arguing on the evils that the crusaders inflicted for war has this side effect, which is why the Catholic Church always always pleads for peace.

Show me anywhere in the 2000 years history of the Catholic Church where war was called for unilaterally without a prior aggression.

Hope you can discern all this truths as another poster suggested it is important for us to know the “truth” since as Jesus taught:

The truth shall set you free.

Peace 👍
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That’s what I thought. Isn’t Christianity older than Islam?

For me, the true faith is the Catholic one.
 
thanks for the responses… i am going to educate myself a bit more and become more a better catholic myself… i too do not accept islams view but sometimes when you ponder about the many that do it can overwhelm you…
 
pwlj_christ87 said:
thanks for the responses… i am going to educate myself a bit more and become more a better catholic myself… i too do not accept islams view but sometimes when you ponder about the many that do it can overwhelm you…
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Someone here posted a wonderfull line that goes something like “a lie believed by many still does not make it a truth”

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