Struggling with Church teaching on contraception

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I never have understood when people say they don’t want a baby at the moment as they can’t afford one.

It might come as a huge shock to these people, but people do manage.

As has been said, there are no accidents, just delights sent by God.

And I have never understood the power that sex seems to have over people either.

If you don’t want to be pregnant, and fully believe in your faith, then don’t have sex, it’s as simple as that.

Your marriage won’t fail because of abstination, if you are both true believers in your faith.

There are many things you can do together to show intimacy and love.

It is a shame us women aren’t born with perfect 28 day cycles :mad: but we do what we can with what God gives us.

All the best with your marriage and family 🙂
 
Hi everyone,

Thanks for your replies. I don’t have time to respond to each individual post or point raised, but this seems like a great forum - so much to think about!

My husband and I both work full-time and he goes to school part-time. My mother-in-law watches our daughter during the day, for free, which is wonderful. Despite that, though, we definitely need two full-time salaries right now - we own a house and real estate is astronomical these days. However, we should be able to afford to have me cut back my hours to part-time once my husband finishes school and is making more money. We will probably try for another baby then. We are in our mid-20s and I honestly don’t think people from older generations understand how hard it is for young people to make it these days. There’s a reason they call us the “boomerang generation.” We graduated from college 8 months after 9/11 as the economy was tanking and real estate prices were doubling or tripling (lucky us). We got married a year later. There was a time when a couple with 8th-grade educations could support seven kids on one income and send them all to Catholic school. That time has passed. Now you can both have college degrees and still struggle. When the rhythm method was the only option, it was easier for most people to afford large families. Perhaps that’s why it was God’s plan for doctors to not discover NFP until the sixties, when feminism was taking off and it would get increasingly harder to support large families and to live on one income. I know, it sounds kind of silly, but it’s possible. On the other hand, during the Depression it was much harder for people to afford children than it is now, and I don’t think they even knew about the rhythm method then, so I guess that blows that theory out of the water. 😛

The NFP-only Dr. I go to thinks I probably have PCOS, which would explain my long cycles and confusing signs, and possibly a thyroid problem as well. The weird thing is I got pregnant very soon after I got married, without trying, and most people with PCOS or thyroid problems have trouble conceiving (though it’s not impossible). My last cycle was very, very long, and I’ve heard that PCOS gets worse with age. So it’s possible I won’t even be able to conceive another child, at least not without difficulty. If that’s the case, then we would never have had a child at all if we had been contracepting, or if NFP had “worked.” God works in mysterious ways! Yet for some reason it’s still hard for me to trust in Him entirely – I still have weak faith.

BTW, I did try a Clearplan monitor, and it didn’t work very well. It said I was fertile long before I was actually fertile. I think I heard that fertility monitors are unreliable in people with PCOS, so if I do have PCOS that would explain that.

So my question was more of a hypothetical one, since a) NFP is slowly getting easier for me and b) it’s possible I won’t be able to conceive again, at least not without medical intervention. I guess the verdict is in – if you can’t tell when you’re fertile and have a serious reason not to have children, you just abstain altogether. This still seems sort of unreasonable to me, though. I guess the reason is because it favors the wealthy – a wealthy couple would have a much easier time supporting a large family, and can therefore enjoy “marital relations” more often. A couple with serious reasons not to have children is probably already under considerable stress, whether financial, emotional or otherwise. Having to abstain altogether would just add more stress. This is not to say that all families with many children are wealthy. But most of them are at least middle-class and moderately successful in life. I just can’t buy that abstaining altogether is good for a marriage. Yes, there’s a huge over-emphasis on sex in this society, and yes, short periods of abstinence can be good for a marriage, but abstaining altogether would be extremely destructive to the marriage, I would think. But I guess as Christians we’re called to put nothing before God, not even our marriages. God has asked people to do far more difficult things. Jesus basically promised that life will be difficult for Christians. Thanks for the food for thought.
 
What really made me understand the contraception debate was listening to Christopher West talk about the Theology of the Body. You can get the CDs for $4 at www.nakedwithoutshame.com Sex is a beautiful thing between husband and wife. If I understood correctly, John Paul II taught that sex between the “one flesh” married couple is like a tiny foretaste of the one flesh union we hope to have with God one day. Putting contraception into that mix drastically alters that relationship. If we contracept, it’s like saying that we love our spouses, execpt for their fertility. We don’t love them enough to accept ALL of them, just part.

Just some theory to think about; the CDs are amazing too, for more than just the discussion of sex and contraception. I can’t offer any practical advice b/c we’re in the opposite situation–trying everything to have a baby. Good luck to you!
 
From sdecoI’m having some major difficulties accepting Church teaching on contraception and I was wondering if anyone can help me out.
First of all, I want to make it clear that I’m in complete agreement with Church teaching on the immorality of the pill and other hormonal methods of contraception, because these methods are abortifacient (and therefore not really contraceptives). However, I do **question Church teaching on condoms **and other non-abortifacient methods of contraception.
I have been married for a little over three years, and we have always used NFP in accordance with Church teaching. I have cycles that range from 40 days to 90 days, and my fertility signs are confusing. I’ve already had one unplanned pregnancy. I am terrified of another, because right now is a very bad time for us to have another child, mostly because of financial reasons (we both work full-time out of necessity) and because my husband is still in grad school. Our daughter is two years old and is a wonderful, delightful child and a huge blessing – but we aren’t ready for another by any stretch of the imagination.
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I would not mind abstaining for 10 days a month if I could easily tell when I’m fertile. If every woman could easily tell, I could accept this teaching. I agree with CCL that periodic abstinence can be good for a marriage, but they neglect to mention that too much abstinence is harmful to a marriage. Yet many couples will need to abstain for unreasonable lengths of time to make sure they avoid pregnancy.
The only reason I use NFP is fear of hell. I continue to use it, even though I question the teaching, because when the Church says something is a mortal sin I take that very seriously.
There is much you mention in your post that is insightful and probing. Our minds are a gift from God and we honor Him by using our mind. Our conscience is also a gift from God and we honor Him by using our conscience. Decisions are easy when they are in sync. The difficulty arises when there is conflict.

Let me address a couple of points that I bolded above:
  1. Prayerfully consider not the mechanical differences (internal contraception vs. external contraception) but the intended affect: Deny God’s use of the marital act for procreation. God gave us the congugal act as a gift for us to express our unity and what He asks us in return is to trust Him regarding whether or not conception takes place.
The “control” we have by using NFP isn’t absolute “control” but we are acting within natural information He has given you as a woman to “cooperate”. So much of our mission on earth revolves around voluntary co-cooperation (I know that isn’t quite correct wording but I’m making the point regarding it being in some ways mutual).
  1. You think that now is a bad time for you for financial reasons. You think your unplanned daughter has been a huge blessing. It appears you also think that God would give you a child this time that wouldn’t be such a blessing.
  2. Another poster suggested that maybe you should just abstain and in fact you infer that maybe that is your only option at this time. Personally, I don’t like that suggestion. Even though I might not feel I “need” to go to confession to recieve the sacraments, I try to go regularly. The reason I do so is that in addition to absolution for my venial sins is that there are graces that come from Confession to aid me in living my Christian calling. So it is with the congugal act which I believe gives me and my wife graces to aid in being husband and wife. I become more understanding of my wife’s foibles and I think she becomes more tolerant of mine. The act’s intimacy makes our union more perfect.
  3. While it is natural that we are often motivated by the fear of Hell, take this fear to prayer and ask that it be converted to an act of Love for God. Make it a sacrificial gift to God in gratitude for the family you have and that one He will give you in the future.
Especially becuase of #3 as well as #1 and #2, I think you need to continue to do as you are doing. It is ok to struggle with #1 in prayer. The Holy Spirit will give you wisdom on the issue when He chooses and in the meantime will give you the strength to carry on. It is ok to struggle with your feelings in #2 that it is a bad time for you. So many things I’ve faced in my life were at “a bad time” but in retrospect, the wisdom and providence of the Holy Spirit becomes evident. Trust in God. Show your trust generously and with a grateful heart. God will not be out-done in generosity and gratitude.
 
Orion, I think you’ve given me the best advice of anyone yet - thanks!

I agree that complete abstinence is not desirable. Like you, I feel that the sexual act enhances our marriage and helps keep us close, and as I said previously I think complete abstinence is very harmful to a marriage.

I have been praying that God will reveal the truth to me about this teaching, and that if the teaching is correct I will come to understand it. You’re right that my motivation should be love of God, not fear or hell, but so far I’ve been unable to change my motivation. I guess the only way to change it is through prayer.

I’ve thought myself about how when I got pregnant I had a lot of anxiety (and also got fired from my job while I was pregnant in addition to that) and yet everything turned out so well – our daughter is so wonderful and I found another job that is much better, allows flexibility and occasional working from home, etc. What I thought was the worst thing that could have happened (an unplanned pregnancy and getting fired while pregnant on top of that) turned out to be one of the best things that could have happened. I’m not sure why I’m having so much trouble trusting God this time. I guess part of it is because I actually think it would be even more stressful getting pregnant this time than last time. I had horrible morning sickness last time, and don’t know how I would deal with that with another kid to take care of. Also, we can’t afford to have me stay home or work part-time yet, and I don’t think I could handle a full-time job and 2 kids. A full-time job and one kid is hard enough. Plus my husband is in school now, and he wasn’t when I got pregnant the first time. Right now we’re basically at the limit of what we can handle. But then again, I guess I thought that last time… Thanks for the advice.
 
Just had my 7th anniversary. We’ve used NFP the entire time, though it was somewhat easier for us since my wife has clear symptoms. Still, it has been hard since for us, the combination of menstruating days and potentially fertile days adds to 12-13 days a month. Worse, those fertile days are the most difficult to give up (I’m sure you know what I mean).

I was resentful and questioned it too, for years. But you know what, it began to make sense. It took a long time to recognize that I had some quite selfish and even lustful attitudes about sex, incompatible with God’s intent for married sexual life. Those abstinant times made, no MAKE, me confront my unhealthy attitudes and point me towards a more totally giving sexual relationship.

Some folks never realize that sex is intended to be BOTH procreative AND unitive. Other folks never realize that even barrier methods are an affront to the unitive aspect as well as the procreative aspect. You see some of both attitudes in some of the posts above. Alan came closer than I can in describing the way in which any form of contraceptive sends a subtle message to the spouse that he/she is being used. Of course, Christopher West does it even better in the book noted above.
 
I never have understood when people say they don’t want a baby at the moment as they can’t afford one.

It might come as a huge shock to these people, but people do manage.

As has been said, there are no accidents, just delights sent by God.

And I have never understood the power that sex seems to have over people either.

If you don’t want to be pregnant, and fully believe in your faith, then don’t have sex, it’s as simple as that.

Your marriage won’t fail because of abstination, if you are both true believers in your faith.

There are many things you can do together to show intimacy and love.

It is a shame us women aren’t born with perfect 28 day cycles :mad: but we do what we can with what God gives us.

All the best with your marriage and family 🙂
We have six beautiful children we can’t afford, since I have been disabled and unemployed for five years, and unable to collect disability for reasons I don’t care to detail now.

I’ve had to take a power tool to the pawn shop – walking – for $15 so I could have milk, cereal, and gasoline to take the kids to school the next day. Of course, I had to pay $16.50 to get it back within the first month, so that’s the price a desperate person has to pay – 120% APR.

There is one thing I find absolutely shocking about the teaching on NFP, and that is that financial situation can be an issue when determining whether it is sinful to avoid having children. To me that’s suggesting it’s OK for parents to put a price on their children, and I don’t see how that is not a contraceptive mentality in and of itself. Moreoever, if it is “not responsible” to have children when you can’t afford it, what about those who lose a lucrative job and then can’t afford the kids later after they’ve had them. What are we supposed to do – throw them back?

edit >> sorry if this has already been answered earlier in the thread. I hate it, but I usually have to hit-and-run post because the clock is so often pushing me around, so I don’t always read before posting. I guess I’m doing you all a disservice, but what the hey I suppose you can always scroll by my stuff like I scrolled by the others… 😦

Alan
 
I have to admit that I have never understood the Catholic Church’s teaching on contraception. My husband and I have been married for 23 years and have one son (age 22). Due to my health and medication that I have been on since 1990, we chose not to have more children. We used the diaphragm until about 1994, when my husband had a vasectomy. I then had to have a hysterectomy in 1999.

The health issues that I struggled with during the first eight years of our marriage were very hard on our relationship. Most of the burden of caring for our son fell on my husband’s shoulders, because I simply had no energy to do so. My menstrual periods were totally unpredictable (anywhere from two months to two years between periods). My blood sugars were also unstable.

When my illness was finally diagnosed and treated, we felt like God had answered our prayers. However, the medication that was prescribed for my condition was not safe to take during pregnancy. Since we already had a healthy child, we decided to count our blessings and be content with what we had. God had blessed us and answered our prayers, and he didn’t seem to be leading either of us to desire more children. Besides, we both felt that it would be utterly irresponsible to become pregnant while I was on medication that could cause problems in a pregnancy.

I realize that most people on this forum will disagree with the choice we made; however, we are accountable to God, not the Catholic Church.
 
I realize that most people on this forum will disagree with the choice we made; however, we are accountable to God, not the Catholic Church.
True. But you make it sound as though you think God will judge differently than the Church.
 
To op, I really admire you for submitting to the Church on this difficult teaching when you have so many concerns.

Keep trusting God! Keep holding onto the Church!

Fear of Hell is an imperfect reason to use NFP, but God can work with that! Keep praying. He will increase your understanding and your trust.

God Bless You and your family. 🙂
 
I realize that most people on this forum will disagree with the choice we made; however, we are accountable to God, not the Catholic Church.
Catholics do not seperate the Church founded by and on Jesus Christ from the person of Jesus; nor does the bible.
 
Catholics do not seperate the Church founded by and on Jesus Christ from the person of Jesus; nor does the bible.
Right. “He that heareth you, heareth me.” The Church IS the mystical body of Christ.

Scott
 
God knows our hearts and our motives. The Catholic Church does not.
 
Although I don’t have to worry about this issue yet since I am not married, I must admit that if I do get married I will question this as well. I read the Eastern Orthodox’ opinon on why condom use is alright in the Eastern Christianity forum and they have a really good argument. All I can say is do what your conscious says.
I am in your boat—so grateful to not be married. After reading the first seven responses, I understand why most catholics just ignore this teaching all together. Anyway, I am going to do a hit and run so I don’t get beat up. 😛
 
God knows our hearts and our motives. The Catholic Church does not.
True as far as it goes, but what the Church proposes about contraception is Truth. Subjective intents (a heart in the right place) do not make things objectively wrong right.

Bear in mind I am not passing judgement on anything you have described in your own life. I don’t know what you subjective intent was or the relative circumstances. (Hysterectomies are legitimate in certain circumstances). The only thing known is the objective wrongness of contraception based both on revealed truth and moral reasoning.
 
Orion, I think you’ve given me the best advice of anyone yet - thanks!

I wonder if this is because Orion told you what you wanted to hear?***

I agree that complete abstinence is not desirable. Like you, I feel that the sexual act enhances our marriage and helps keep us close, and as I said previously I think complete abstinence is very harmful to a marriage.

The Catholic Church also says complete abstinence is not desireable. Abstinence during certain times is wonderful for so many reasons and actually enhances the Marriage too.

I have been praying that God will reveal the truth to me about this teaching, and that if the teaching is correct I will come to understand it.

God has already revealed the truth through the Church and the teaching is correct. So you are onto point three. Time to do a little research and increase the understanding. Slim chance it will be divine inspiration on any of our behalfs. To understand anything takes work.

Also, we can’t afford to have me stay home or work part-time yet, and I don’t think I could handle a full-time job and 2 kids. A full-time job and one kid is hard enough. Plus my husband is in school now, and he wasn’t when I got pregnant the first time. Right now we’re basically at the limit of what we can handle. But then again, I guess I thought that last time… Thanks for the advice.

***Just let go and let God. Having doubts only shows a lack of trust from you in the ways of God. Take it from one who has 4 kids, one income and kid no 5 on the way sometime soon!! I told God that we would always be open to new life, once He provided for them. I have yet to be let down. ***
 
True as far as it goes, but what the Church proposes about contraception is Truth. Subjective intents (a heart in the right place) do not make things objectively wrong right.

Bear in mind I am not passing judgement on anything you have described in your own life. I don’t know what you subjective intent was or the relative circumstances. (Hysterectomies are legitimate in certain circumstances). The only thing known is the objective wrongness of contraception based both on revealed truth and moral reasoning.
The “objective wrongness of contraception based on revealed truth and moral reasoning” ? Whose “revealed truth and moral reasoning”? Truth and reasoning of the Catholic Church? Revealed how?
 
The “objective wrongness of contraception based on revealed truth and moral reasoning” ? Whose “revealed truth and moral reasoning”? Truth and reasoning of the Catholic Church? Revealed how?
Put simply, without the apostolic witness (the Church), we would have no knowledge of Christ. The Church is Christ’s chosen instrument for revealing His truths. Contraception is condemned in Scripture, Tradition, the teaching authority of the Church, and one can make a reasonable case against it using basic moral reasoning. I have seen virtually every objection to contraception imaginable, and I have yet to see one overthrow any of the above.

I would also point out the *every *Christian denomination condemned contraception until 1930. In contraception is ok, why did everyone get it wrong for 2000 years?
 
True. But you make it sound as though you think God will judge differently than the Church.
Is God bound by the man made rules of the Catholic Church? I thought the church was subject to God’s commandments.
 
Is God bound by the man made rules of the Catholic Church? I thought the church was subject to God’s commandments.
Well, it’s either one or the other, isn’t it?

I happen to believe that since Jesus founded the Church on the promise that the Gates of Hell cannot prevail, that the Church is showing us God’s commandments, and not just giving us a bunch of manmade rules.

PS: Included in that promise is, “Whatever you bind on earth, I shall bind in Heaven” so to some extent, it is true that God follows the laws of the Church, or rather, that to obey God is to obey the lawful authority of the Church in her disciplines.
 
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